Society & Culture1 min ago
Muslim Flight Attendant Refuses To Serve Alcohol
Here we go again. Another case of the goal posts being widened and changed.
She was accepted for the post before she converted to Islam.Now she wants to retain her job but refuse to serve alcohol. Sounds familiar.
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She was accepted for the post before she converted to Islam.Now she wants to retain her job but refuse to serve alcohol. Sounds familiar.
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'Muslims are not allowed to serve alcohol to others' Try telling that to the owners of my corner shop! They sell more booze than Tesco.
12:29 Mon 07th Sep 2015
divebuddy - "//The reasons why the tasks are not performed are of no concern, or relevance in terms of enforcing an employment contract.//
So why had the company previously allowed her to carry on with her job and be excused from serving alcohol.
That "arrangement" has broken down (probably because her fellow stewardess's got fed up with it).
By being reasonable they have given her legal team (and it is a team) a big stick to beat them with."
I suspect your analysis is correct here - the airline have attempted to accommodate this lady's religious convictions, but having been unable so to do, they have reverted to their right to enforce her contract regulations.
I don't think they will have any trouble in court - accommodating religious or other cultural aspects of an employee's working life are the courtesies of a caring company, but they are not obliged to provide them.
However, the employee is obliged to carry out the tasks in her contract, when required, and it is she who is failing in the legal sense, so I suspect the court will side with the airline here.
So why had the company previously allowed her to carry on with her job and be excused from serving alcohol.
That "arrangement" has broken down (probably because her fellow stewardess's got fed up with it).
By being reasonable they have given her legal team (and it is a team) a big stick to beat them with."
I suspect your analysis is correct here - the airline have attempted to accommodate this lady's religious convictions, but having been unable so to do, they have reverted to their right to enforce her contract regulations.
I don't think they will have any trouble in court - accommodating religious or other cultural aspects of an employee's working life are the courtesies of a caring company, but they are not obliged to provide them.
However, the employee is obliged to carry out the tasks in her contract, when required, and it is she who is failing in the legal sense, so I suspect the court will side with the airline here.
Peter Pedant - "Responses split into two ...AH
with Andy resolutely sitting on the fence .... as ever"
May I refer you to my post of 16:25 -
"If the lady said she was not serving alcohol because her father was a violent alcoholic, then she would face exactly the same sanction.
The point is that the sanction is imposed because of the unprofessional behaviour - the reasons behind that behaviour are not an issue as far as the employer is concerned.
The employer expects tasks involved in a job to be performed, and if they are not performed, there are sanctions, including dismissal at their disposal.
The reasons why the tasks are not performed are of no concern, or relevance in terms of enforcing an employment contract."
I'm not sure what your definition of 'fence sitting' is - but if it's anything like mine, I think would agree that I am not 'sitting' anywhere on this! My view is perfectly clear - this lady is not performing the terms of her contract, she can and probably will be dismissed because of it. Her faith is not an issue.
with Andy resolutely sitting on the fence .... as ever"
May I refer you to my post of 16:25 -
"If the lady said she was not serving alcohol because her father was a violent alcoholic, then she would face exactly the same sanction.
The point is that the sanction is imposed because of the unprofessional behaviour - the reasons behind that behaviour are not an issue as far as the employer is concerned.
The employer expects tasks involved in a job to be performed, and if they are not performed, there are sanctions, including dismissal at their disposal.
The reasons why the tasks are not performed are of no concern, or relevance in terms of enforcing an employment contract."
I'm not sure what your definition of 'fence sitting' is - but if it's anything like mine, I think would agree that I am not 'sitting' anywhere on this! My view is perfectly clear - this lady is not performing the terms of her contract, she can and probably will be dismissed because of it. Her faith is not an issue.
Oh, US employment law - very employer friendly. Think the Mother-trucker case. [ Trucker who trucked weenies a popular teen sweet was found to be a cross dresser in his spare time and it was held that it was still acceptable to fire him from his job ]
The business of the US Govt is ...... business
No wonder they have Baltimore and Ferguson Missouri
The business of the US Govt is ...... business
No wonder they have Baltimore and Ferguson Missouri
Might I just point out, without joining the ranks of the rather more unpleasant intolerant AB'ers, that there's a major difference between this case and the US registry clerk.
This one took a job and agreed to carry out her duties before converting to Islam. One might say that she moved the goalposts. Whereas the clerk took a job and carried out her duties until her employer changed the terms. One might say her employers moved the goalposts.
This one took a job and agreed to carry out her duties before converting to Islam. One might say that she moved the goalposts. Whereas the clerk took a job and carried out her duties until her employer changed the terms. One might say her employers moved the goalposts.
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// Might I just point out, without joining the ranks of the rather more unpleasant intolerant AB'ers, //
that was a joke, right ? [ on the lines of " I am not a Nazi ?" dat is goot !]
No I dont think one can take a job in a govt registry - which is to the interpret and apply the relevant law - and say "O! I dont like this new law so I will go on applying the old one" - she is also I note telling her underlings from her jail cell that if they issue licences to gays or whomever they are acting ultra vires and the licences are void .....
that was a joke, right ? [ on the lines of " I am not a Nazi ?" dat is goot !]
No I dont think one can take a job in a govt registry - which is to the interpret and apply the relevant law - and say "O! I dont like this new law so I will go on applying the old one" - she is also I note telling her underlings from her jail cell that if they issue licences to gays or whomever they are acting ultra vires and the licences are void .....
Svejk - "Might I just point out, without joining the ranks of the rather more unpleasant intolerant AB'ers, that there's a major difference between this case and the US registry clerk.
This one took a job and agreed to carry out her duties before converting to Islam. One might say that she moved the goalposts. Whereas the clerk took a job and carried out her duties until her employer changed the terms. One might say her employers moved the goalposts."
I don't think that is joining their ranks Svejk - perfectly reasonable point in my view.
I think on reflection that you are right, there are major differences in the two cases - I think it is easy to assume a link because of the 'faith-based' nature of the disputes, but as you advise, the differences are there.
This one took a job and agreed to carry out her duties before converting to Islam. One might say that she moved the goalposts. Whereas the clerk took a job and carried out her duties until her employer changed the terms. One might say her employers moved the goalposts."
I don't think that is joining their ranks Svejk - perfectly reasonable point in my view.
I think on reflection that you are right, there are major differences in the two cases - I think it is easy to assume a link because of the 'faith-based' nature of the disputes, but as you advise, the differences are there.
Peter - "Andy sitting on the fence was a light hearted commented intended to leaven the otherwise serious demeanour
I know really you would not sit on the fence even if it were iron and you had a powerful magnet shoved up your ..... "
Apologies - I did miss the humour of your post - it's been something of a fractious day on here, on a couple of threads.
Tomorrow will be better.
I know really you would not sit on the fence even if it were iron and you had a powerful magnet shoved up your ..... "
Apologies - I did miss the humour of your post - it's been something of a fractious day on here, on a couple of threads.
Tomorrow will be better.
One of marvel's best yarns here, retro, of a similar but humorous vein...
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