FAO Ratter

[zzxxee]

I think it was you who posted some time ago about giving your dogs a totally raw diet ?
Can you tell me what kind of things you give your dogs on a daily basis
Also portion size for a patterdale terrier jack russell x dog (about the size of a cocker spaniel)
many thanks x

[jules77]

Sorry Ratter, I can find just as much evidence against bones as I can for it, and I dont agree dogs do any better on a raw diet as opposed to a commercial one. I go to quite a lot of trouble preparing vegetables for my dogs, basically because I think it does them good and they like them. But I know people who feed a very cheap commercial diet and their dogs never go to the vets, have shiny coats, and two in particular are running around like a 5 year old at 13 years of age.

[zzxxee]

Morning ratter, i am still collecting as much evidence as possible about raw diets for dogs,
But i must say i think you have won me over !!! :0)

[RATTER15]

Jules, fair comment, I think we will agree to disagree. As long as we all have the best interests of our dogs at heart im sure they will do just fine :-)

zzxxee, I hope you do it, you will never look back, its worth the extra work.

go to this link and see 2 of my boys playing, thttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=
ratter15&aq=f
these vids are now 12 months old, the two dogs are Gilligan and Merlin, Gilligan is my Avatar pic, we now also have Keeva an Irish Wolfhound bitch, just 9 months old now.

[RATTER15]

Try that.

[zzxxee]

sorry ratter the link does not work ;0(

[RATTER15]

ok so that didnt work either, oh well, just copy and past it. thttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=


ratter15&aq=f

[RATTER15]

ok, just search for RATTER15 on youtube lol

[zzxxee]

will do a bit later thankyou for all the info Ratter :0) x

[ChuckFickens]

You're not doing too well with your links there, Ratter :)

http://www.youtube.co...h_query=ratter15&aq=f

[zzxxee]

cheers chuck x

[RATTER15]

Grrrr how come it worked for you Chuck, I just copied and pasted as I usually do!

[jules77]

I agree Ratter, as long as we have the best interests of our dog at heart, we will agree to disagree. As has already been said, my main issue is that people who feed raw, dont give the pros AND the cons so people can make an informed decision. Below is some information I have on my website from some research I did some time ago. Although it was a study completed in America, it applies to anywhere/anyone feeding a barf/raw diet.

'A study performed by staff of the Colorado State University in conjunction with the USDA was published in the Feb 2006 edition of the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association . This study evaluated 21 different raw meat diets which had been obtained from 3 different locations. This study found that over 50% of the samples contained E. coli and over 5% of the samples contained Salmonella. E.coli and Salmonella are both bacteria which can be responsible for severe intestinal diseases in dogs and people. This same study detected that 99% of the raw meat diets, almost all of them, had some type of contamination. The study concluded that "owners feeding their pets these diets should be concerned about their pet's health as well as their own health."

The debate surrounding these frozen dog food diets and BARF or raw food dog diets will continue. Those involved with both sides of the issue feel very strongly. As a dog owner, if you are contemplating feeding one of these diets to your dog, you will need to weigh the risks and benefits of the diet and decide for yourself whether a frozen diet is right for you and your dog.'

[RATTER15]

Jules, that survey was undertaken on just 3 different manufacturers of raw diet food in the USA, very different to the human grade meat that we buy.

They would not be permitted to sell that in this country for human consumption and is not human grade meat. So no its not the same everywhere and the vast majority of the meat we buy is from our local butcher.

Sorry your last bid to discredit this diet has failed miserably.

You will never convince me that a cereal based slop pressed into pellets and sprayed with an apetizer just to make it edible is going to be better for my dogs or any other dog! its just nonsense.

End of!!

I suggest you now give up!

[jules77]

Unless you are feeding meat that you would eat yourself, the offcuts/scraps from the butchers arnt fit for human consumption either, the same goes for the frozen packs of raw meat from pet shops/barf outlets. Wherever you buy the meat from, it is not entirely safe unless it is cooked.

My final words on the subject.......I quote...

'Scientific evidence of potential animal and public health risks in feeding raw meats outweighs any perceived benefits.

Risks from bacterial pathogens (i.e. Salmonella, E.Coli) present in raw meats for both pets fed these diets, and for pet owners. Pets fed raw meats can shed potential bacterial pathogens in their stool thereby acting as a source of potentially significant zoonotic infections. Pets fed Raw are at risk of intestinal obstruction if the diet includes bones.'

Amen...

[RATTER15]

Give it up Jules :-)

[lankeela]

What happened to agreeing to disagree? I am a confirmed 'complete' feeder but as I said above I also feed some raw to my pup. The two can be fed side by side without harm, if it suits the dogs. The complete suits my smaller dogs and although they get the occasional chicken wing (if they are quick enough to nick one from the GSD lol) they have done very well on dry food for up to almost sixteen years. If any of them appeared to be suffering from eating it I would try whatever suited them and that would include raw but I wouldn't try to demonise anyone else for not feeding it.

[zzxxee]

Ratter Jules, both your dogs in your avatars look happy and healthy .
I would say your both doing a grand job !!!
you both sound like fabulous owners who care a lot about your dogs :0).

[RATTER15]

Mine looks better than hers :-) xxx Jules

[jules77]

Cheeky sod LOL!

[zzxxee]

awwww your friends again :0) x