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Thanks for the link Elvis, interesting. I just plucked his name of the top of my head as I was writing. Perhaps not him then. I'm disappointed in him; after seeing the stuff he's made for TV on animals I thought he would have been ideal. I'd like to hear his views on Saturday's GN. Please don't anybody put a link up showing Bill Oddie killing baby blue tits or Chris Packham badger baiting cos I don't think I can stand it.