dogs on leads

[fruitsalad]

I realise people like to let their dogs run free, but I sometimes wonder if when they let their dog run up to other dogs they stop to think whether or not the other dog is friendly we have 2 jack russells which really dont like other dogs so they are always kept on a lead very close by, but it really annoys me when people assume they will be friendly to their dog, when they let it come bounding over, I spend most of my time when we are on walks saying to people dont let your dog come close because they are not very friendly to other dogs and is very likely to go for him/her which has happened in the past, and the other dog im afraid to say came off worse because of it.

[ladybirder]

Soz, myl ast post was supposed to have a smilie on it:-)

[Kristal53]

A lot of you have dogs that seem to be out of control - I don't mean this in an inflammatory way -but the fact is that you as owners are supposed to be the alpha in the 'herd' and if you allow this behaviour - aggressiveness towards other dogs -then you are condoning it . The dogs are 'protecting ' you and you are allowing them to take on this role. If you severely reprimanded your dogs every time they showed aggressive behaviour to other dogs they will eventually stop - but people are too soft with animals and tend to communicate with them as humans rather than dogs. The more discipline you give a dog the happier they are -not cruelty obviously - just make sure they know who is boss and where the line is and not to cross it. this obviously does not work with cats ....... ;-)

[kawakiri]

The older dog didn't react to the boxer at all and the younger one just barked, they were as I said now both on the lead and the Boxer was lunging at both of them and knocked both dogs over.

[ladybirder]

What, in your opinion, constitutes "severely reprimanding" Kristal?

[Kristal53]

Ladybirder -whatever works for your dog -some dogs are more assertive than others but whatever you do should involve you raising your voice saying'no' (all dogs should understand this word) and also MAKING the dog lie down in a submissive fashion -submissive to you, not the other dog. Holding on to the dog and shouting at the other person will not work - its not the other persons fault your dog is out of control -maybe theirs is too but not your problem. You do not have to smack your dog if thats what you were insinuating. Most people are not the alpha dog in their herd as they are afraid to dicipline, thinking their dog won't 'love them' - dogs don't love , they 'respect' the leader and most are quite happy eventually to submit to thier leader.

[craft1948]

@ rockyracoon..........the daughter has a cross-breed Japanese Akita. She's only let it off the lead once, never again.

[ladybirder]

Saying No is fine.
Kristal I have never had a dog who has not been subordinate to me but they have all loved me without question. And all my dogs have been taught with kindness and love how to behave and I have never had a problem with any of them and neither have they ever been a problem to anybody else. And the one I care for now I was told he couldn't be let off the lead, he couldn't travel in cars, and he would attack any other dog. None of those things are now true. He's a wonderful little chap but he was unfortunate to have inexperienced owners.

[rockyracoon]

Lol craft, they are barstewards, they really are. My family has had them for years and they are well known for there intolerance of other animals.

[kawakiri]

The fact that the boxer was not under control did end up being my problem, which was a situationI did all to avoid.

[woofgang]

krystsl you might know horses but you talk bodkins about dogs

[Kristal53]

woolfgang -tell that to cesar millan cos most of what I've said comes from him. I personally am sick and tired of 'dog lovers' who let their mutts rule their lives and treat them like their little babies. True animal lovers treat their animals -whatever they are -as animals not replacement children. As for knowing nothing about dogs -well OH trains working sheepdogs but I prefer cats, who are untrainable and thats how i like them - i am a total slave to my cat (sorry her majesty) ;-)

[ladybirder]

That explains it. Cesar Millan's methods are so out of date - I was taught by my father blah blah blah. He is a bullying, confrontational, show off and if you google you will see his methods have been discredited by many. I have had to turn his shows off he makes me so angry. Victoria Stilwell uses kinder, reward based methods and she makes so much sense and has brilliant results. She is wonderful with the dogs and quite tough on the owners. I wouldn't let CM within a mile of any dog of mine.

[ladybirder]

Oh and cats are trainable. I've trained mine to get me to do anything she wants - and she's done it. Clever girl. And it didn't take her long:-)

[firewatch]

As a new dog owner with a pup under 6 months he has not yet been off the lead, and goes walking with at least two leashes a short one for on road walking and a 'rovi lead' one of the ones that extends and can be long or short. He hates jack russells (no offence i dont mind em meself) as one pinned him down on one of his first ever walks out. The other owner blamed it on our dog being a staphie, um no hes a pedigree lab?! The owners with dogs off leads Fosters me off as sprite likes to play but forgets hes on a leash and knocks our toddler over. That or they knock amelia over regardless, she hates staphies for that very reason.

[woofgang]

yes that does explain a lot ladybirder......

[LoftyLottie]

Would agree that cats are trainable.

Ladybirder, I am with you on this. My dogs and cats have always been treated kindly but firmly. Much as you would treat a child you love. I have been taking on rescue dogs for about 35 years now!!

[Kristal53]

I'm not advocating cruelty and although I don't watch cesar that much - as the owners of the naughty dogs make me cringe- his methods are not outdated -just different. Communicating with an animal using its own body language has to work and I personally don't believe his methods are 'bullying' -animals don't pull any punches when disciplining subordinates in the pack -what they NEVER do is give each other treats to prove they are the leader - the only time a dog in a natural environment will give another dog food is a parent to her pups -so what message is treat based training giving the dogs? that you are their puppies? That they have to protect? By chasing away other dogs ?

[jules77]

Have you ever seen the Cesar Milan clips that they dont put on the TV?

My life revolves around my dogs who are my babies. If that makes you sick, you need to get out more and get a life!

[woofgang]

Dogs don't Alpha roll other dogs or jerk them with leads either.

[chaptazbru]

I personally think CM is a twit and I wouldn't let him within a mile of any dog of mine! Much prefer Victoria.