What's The Procedure For Getting Someone A Place In A Care Home?

[sandyRoe]

I know the first step would be contacting the social worker, but what are the mechanics of the move?

[EDDIE51]

Visiting care homes to find one suitable is a very good idea.
If you find a good one , the staff will help you get the details organised and explain it all. If the staff are not helpful then do not use that home !

[murraymints]

lots of assessments..physical needs and financial status....then a look at what is available depending on needs.. but above advice is good ..look around whilst that process is undergoing...

[Tilly2]

Social services will provide you with a list of appropriate homes. Visit as many as you can and look at what they have available.
Will your sister be self- funding?

[gness]

A tip, Sandy.....research the homes online first......then visit.

We were given a short list of "the only homes with vacancies" for my mother....... and told to visit and choose one. They were the ones with poor reviews from my research.....and from local word of mouth.
I phoned two, not on the list, but that I had heard and read good things about.....both had vacancies and I chose one of those.

My mother was in hospital at the time so went from there to the home.....easier than trying to get her out of her house as it happened.....but sad all the same.

[sandyRoe]

Financial status, the waters there have already been muddied. A daughter who hasn't shown any interest in recent times took her out for an afternoon recently. When the returned she Said she'd transferred some of her mothers money to her own account because if care became necessary the authorities would take it for costs.
No time care for her old mum but she could find time to care for her money.

[gness]

Ooo, Sandy.....that could cause problems......not for you but for the daughter. My mother's finances were looked at very closely and still are each year.

[EDDIE51]

The daughter is wrong, that cash can still be taken for care. You need to find out how much she has taken and get it back! Looks more like theft than help!

[sandyRoe]

http://www.carehome.co.uk/carehome.cfm/searchazref/20007005OURA

The fees here are about £600 per week. If someone had no money, or it had been eaten up over time, is there help from social security?

[sandyRoe]

She 'took' more than 50K. Helping herself more than anything else.

[RATTER15]

Sandly, you will find a report of the Care Home on this web site, CQC. is the governing body, that rates them or closes them down. http://www.cqc.org.uk/

The Scores on the Door rating may also give an indication of food hygiene standards at the home. http://ratings.food.gov.uk/

[RATTER15]

Sorry, Those sites I posted are English.
There does seem to be some very good reports of that home from the link you posted.

[EDDIE51]

Sandy , hard I know but that IS theft, the daughter took advantage of her mother when she did not have the mental capacity to know what she was doing. Unless the daughter returns it you have to report it as a theft !

[sandyRoe]

OK. Thank you all. The next step will be to contact her daughters and tell them their mothers condition is such that she now needs more care than I can provide on my own.

[Tilly2]

Stay firm, Sandy. Don't let them fob you off with false promises and claims about how they will come and help. Let them do all the organising and running about.

You have done your 'bit'.

[Dogsbody2]

Good advice from others more knowledgeable than me about finding a good care home.

Regarding the financials, clearly the action of the daughter is theft and needs to be reported. If one has capital above £23250, local authorities do not fund care home fees. Once the capital runs below this figure, LAs provide some funding. Once the figure falls below £14250, LAs are obliged to provide what is called 'maximum support'. But this is then driven by the maximum figure that the local authority where the lady lives will cover - and there are different maximum figures depending on the condition of the individual. Strangely there are no national rates for this and different LAs fund different maximums, but all are clearly under pressure.

The point about rattling on about this, is that you really need to find a place you and the individual is happy with, AND can be calculated as being self-funded for at least a reasonable amount of time. reason? - because when the self-funding runs out due to capital erosion, one wants to be in a position of arguing with the LA that the individual should not be moved just because the weekly rate is above their funding maximum level. Yes, it happens.

That is why this lady needs all the capital resources she currently (or recently) had.

[gness]

Ah...good point by Dogsbody.......I remember now asking if, when her own money ran out, the home would want her to be moved to a less expensive place.
The manager assured me they wouldn't do this.....they would accept the funding offered by the LA.....so much to think of, Sandy, take care of yourself too now.....x

[Tefler]

What the daughter has done comes under the heading of 'Deprivation of Assets'. Age UK's leaflet on the subject states:

"The statutory guidance in support of the Care Act 2014, states that deprivation of assets is where a person has intentionally deprived or decreased their overall assets in order to reduce the amount they will be charged towards their care and support. This means that they must have known that they would need care and support and have reduced their assets in order to reduce the contribution they would be asked to make towards the cost of it."

The leaflet can be accessed at http://www.ageuk.org.uk/home-and-care/care-homes/deprivation-of-assets-in-the-means-test-for-care-home-provision/

[ladyalex]

Just wanted to say all the best, Sandy.
I started by looking at the yellow pages for care homes then going online to check them out before visiting a few.
Social work will guide you through the maze of assessments etc.
I think what your niece did was despicable, but if it were me, I'd say nothing to anyone about it until I was asked....then I'd tell the truth. No use getting into more family trouble than you need to.
As I said, all the best with it. It's a grim time.

[EDDIE51]

The point is that the money the daughter stole WILL be have to be put towards her care fees . As you have been told this will count as deprivation of assets.You need to get this money back before the daughter spends it and can not give it back.

[gness]

Eddie......Do you know what would happen if the daughter can't/won't return it? Is Sandy in any way responsible?.....

Just curious because we could so easily have been in the same situation if my brother and I hadn't had our wits about us.....x