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Are there any other diseases circulating hospitals other than MRSA?
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Velvetee is quite correct, if you want to avoid MRSA or C.Difficile then either go private or go abroad.....many studies have shown this to be true. The reasons are multifactorial, but the main one is that if you don't look after your patients you go out of business, apllicable only to the Private Sector.
Ur quite wrong about private health. It was in a private health hospital the disease was contracted. The patient was kept in a filthy state as was the room. I cleaned up as nurses said "cleaners & staff were serving lunch". The said patient was left to eat with hands covered in c##p. Wish I had taken photos!
At a later date when same patient was in NH ward, they were scrupulously clean with an excellent matron in charge. Beware, private health!
At a later date when same patient was in NH ward, they were scrupulously clean with an excellent matron in charge. Beware, private health!
It is not me that is quite wrong it must have been the well documented analysis that was "quite wrong" What you have described terambulan is quite unacceptable, but "one swallow doesn't make a summer". Matron in charge eh! that must have been a few years ago and things have changed in the NHS some for the better, some not for the better. I stand by my reasearch findings that MRSA is less frequent in the Private Sector and abroad.
Squad617 is quite correct but forgive me for stating what should be very obvious to almost everyone.
The answer is YES OF COURSE, unless every patient entered hospital (private or otherwise) in a space suit and was then placed in an air locked chamber (oh and 'isolation' is really nowhere near that scenario).
I'm assuming it hasn't escaped your attention terambulan that SICK PEOPLE are found in hospitals (and just to be clear YES they will be carring infective micro-organisms as are YOU at this very moment).
Sadly it will ALWAYS be the case that in a confined environment that even with the most rigid cross infection control policy and implementation (private or NHS) that infective micro-organisms will pass from patient to patient and clinician to patient etc...
This process can be minimised but never eliminated.
I always find it incredible when people are shocked to hear that a large proportion of the healthcare profession for example are carriers of MRSA but it really shouldn't be that surprising.
NB - for those of you that think private healthcare is 'better' in terms of cross-infection control, morbidity, mortality etc...
It might be, but remember it might not, the only thing you can usually gurantee is a queue jump, they are the SAME doctors and nurses that work in the NHS (or have in the past) and the cross-infection control isn't necessarily any better (in many cases it simply can't be!!)
The answer is YES OF COURSE, unless every patient entered hospital (private or otherwise) in a space suit and was then placed in an air locked chamber (oh and 'isolation' is really nowhere near that scenario).
I'm assuming it hasn't escaped your attention terambulan that SICK PEOPLE are found in hospitals (and just to be clear YES they will be carring infective micro-organisms as are YOU at this very moment).
Sadly it will ALWAYS be the case that in a confined environment that even with the most rigid cross infection control policy and implementation (private or NHS) that infective micro-organisms will pass from patient to patient and clinician to patient etc...
This process can be minimised but never eliminated.
I always find it incredible when people are shocked to hear that a large proportion of the healthcare profession for example are carriers of MRSA but it really shouldn't be that surprising.
NB - for those of you that think private healthcare is 'better' in terms of cross-infection control, morbidity, mortality etc...
It might be, but remember it might not, the only thing you can usually gurantee is a queue jump, they are the SAME doctors and nurses that work in the NHS (or have in the past) and the cross-infection control isn't necessarily any better (in many cases it simply can't be!!)
Using MRSA as an example, everyone is (quite rightly!!!) concerned with hand washing and cross-infection control measures in hospitals.
However MRSA is NOT a 'big nasty bug that lives in dirty NHS hospitals' (not exclusively anyway!!)
Remember, firstly WHY MRSA is MRSA (many factors but probably mainly over use of antibiotics to placate an ignorant and difficult public who have demanded them inappropriately for many years) and secondly MRSA will typically only affect suscpetible individuals.
A good percentage of the population walk around everyday carrying MRSA (yes at work, at school, at home, in the pub., at the swimming baths etc..) with no adverse consequences, the problems arise when they transfer it to those that are suseptible.
Now I hope you can see where I'm going with this, who do you think these susceptible people are? Well sick people of course and you find sick people in HOSPITALS (BOTH private and NHS).
However MRSA is NOT a 'big nasty bug that lives in dirty NHS hospitals' (not exclusively anyway!!)
Remember, firstly WHY MRSA is MRSA (many factors but probably mainly over use of antibiotics to placate an ignorant and difficult public who have demanded them inappropriately for many years) and secondly MRSA will typically only affect suscpetible individuals.
A good percentage of the population walk around everyday carrying MRSA (yes at work, at school, at home, in the pub., at the swimming baths etc..) with no adverse consequences, the problems arise when they transfer it to those that are suseptible.
Now I hope you can see where I'm going with this, who do you think these susceptible people are? Well sick people of course and you find sick people in HOSPITALS (BOTH private and NHS).
My experience has been within the last 18months and with 3 local separate private hospitals and one NHS. The NHS care was superior and the matron still exists.
The nurses from the local NHS work part-time in the private hospitals at the same rates, though for extra income. The physicians are also NHS. The only advantage on the private sector is the lack of waiting lists but this has greatly improved with the NHS.
The nurses from the local NHS work part-time in the private hospitals at the same rates, though for extra income. The physicians are also NHS. The only advantage on the private sector is the lack of waiting lists but this has greatly improved with the NHS.
Theoretical and/or actual benefits to private healthcare:
- speedy referral, treatment and diagnosis (not always quicker that in the NHS)
- access to more senior medical staff, perhaps with special interests in specific sub speciality areas (typically at least a consultant in the private sector and usually a consulatnt who has a number of years of experience, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't see the exact same clinician on an NHS ward)
- nicer environment (in terms of decor, aesthetics etc, possibly)
- improved cross-infection control (not necessarily your local NHS hospital may have expectional cross infection control implementation which simply can't be improved upon)
What you will NOT get:
- less pain post-operatively (assuming the same level of post-op analgesia)
- improved chance of success (not necessarily)
- less scarring (depends on many factors as well as opeartor skill)
- less chance of post-op. infection (assuming the same operating conditions with the same surgeon in a clean NHS hospital then the risk would be identical and not eliminated)
- speedy referral, treatment and diagnosis (not always quicker that in the NHS)
- access to more senior medical staff, perhaps with special interests in specific sub speciality areas (typically at least a consultant in the private sector and usually a consulatnt who has a number of years of experience, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't see the exact same clinician on an NHS ward)
- nicer environment (in terms of decor, aesthetics etc, possibly)
- improved cross-infection control (not necessarily your local NHS hospital may have expectional cross infection control implementation which simply can't be improved upon)
What you will NOT get:
- less pain post-operatively (assuming the same level of post-op analgesia)
- improved chance of success (not necessarily)
- less scarring (depends on many factors as well as opeartor skill)
- less chance of post-op. infection (assuming the same operating conditions with the same surgeon in a clean NHS hospital then the risk would be identical and not eliminated)
A word of warning however, be thankful for the NHS while it lasts, its days are numbered and I doubt it will see its 75th birthday.
People are critical of it citing that they pay taxes etc.. (and the usual nonsense), the UK public is going to get a massive shock when the NHS is gone, they get 'their tax back' (i.e. the proportion of an individual's tax that would in theory go towards the provision of their own healthcare) and have to pay the true COST of their own healthcare.
People are critical of it citing that they pay taxes etc.. (and the usual nonsense), the UK public is going to get a massive shock when the NHS is gone, they get 'their tax back' (i.e. the proportion of an individual's tax that would in theory go towards the provision of their own healthcare) and have to pay the true COST of their own healthcare.
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