Psychic Feelings

[vernonk]

Do you believe that - maybe even have examples of - some people can somehow sense what you're thinking or feeling even if they're a long distance away and haven't seen in you in a long while?

[jim360]

You mean super-luminal neutrinos? Experimental error, it was accounted for and removed. I know some of the people who worked on the experiments.

[DTCwordfan]

Perhaps.....but not all science is yet revealed, or are we that arrogant?

[naomi24]

I agree with DT. I don't think we yet have the know-how or the technology to investigate this.

[jim360]

DTC -- Science is by no means complete. What you have to remember, though, is that Newton's work on Gravity is still right to this day. Einstein didn't replace it, he updated it. Schrodinger's work on Quantum Mechanics wasn't thrown away, but updated by people like Dirac, Feynman, Schwinger and Dyson etc. Einstein's own Theory of Relativity is likely to be updated at some point once we figure out how to do Quantum Gravity. If we ever do. But even then his work will still not be wrong.

At the moment Physics is at the stage where it knows that it is not yet complete, but what it has so far is pretty well as right as you could wish for.

Up to an abuse of Notation, the picture in my avatar describes the entirety of current Physics -- and does so to a phenomenal degree of accuracy. When we do get to the next level of understanding, it will have to contain what we already know, and not replace it. That is the key difference between your idea of "science is not yet revealed" and mine. Of course we haven't finished yet (my next four years would be a waste otherwise!) but the path we are taking so far is the right one and matches the real world stupendously well. It's almost certainly never going to be thrown aside and forgotten.

[DTCwordfan]

But it ain't God......it's science we can't explain, like in many, many areas of all the disciplines. In the past, religion served to explain the unexplainable.

Let me pose one....why can't folk get their heads around that space may indeed be endless in distance and times (esp as the latter is known to be a variable - Einstein et al)? (In

[DTCwordfan]

We are probably agreeing, Jim, my argument is more simplistic and that is to open the eyes and mind to handling change, whatever vector that may take.

[jomifl]

DTC, there are more maybes than ares, until maybes are converted to ares then thats what they are, maybes

[DTCwordfan]

A truism if I have ever heard one.....hence my stance to remain open to new science, yes with the necessary empiricism, as I fear many remain (i) blinkered and (ii) non-receptive to the holistic dimensions of scientific advancement.

[jim360]

Well, perhaps -- by the way your post above didn't seem to finish, how did it carry on?

I just think that, while yes there's always the (highly unlikely in my view) possibility that psychic abilities would be confirmed, it would be as if we'd being trying to get from Leeds to London with a pretty good idea of our map and suddenly realised we were heading North. It would be the most incredible change in Scientific thought and, frankly, there's no reason to believe that it will ever happen when all evidence shows we are on the right track and psychic abilities are not.

[237SJ]

Yes, I sensed when my Dad was having an unexpected fatal heart attack, even though he was 200 miles away.

[DTCwordfan]

Jim - and a polar magnetic reversal and you are heading south?

[jim360]

Yeah, we're not using a magnet but drawing a map as we go and taking careful measurements, etc., everything matching up to expectation and when not refining and improving our calculations...

You're welcome to believe in psychic abilities if you like but evidence is scant and expect it to stay that way.

[naomi24]

I think the problem is that science has already made its mind up on this one, and this is where it becomes arrogant. We might think we're pretty smart, but we still have a lot to learn - and there's nothing wrong with saying 'I don't know' - because it doesn't.

[jim360]

Of course it's made up its mind because it's looked at the idea and found it to be unfeasible. Meanwhile, the alternative world view fits better and has a proven successful track record. Example: this conversation.

[naomi24]

//Of course it's made up its mind because it's looked at the idea and found it to be unfeasible.//

To date .....but it hasn't considered that it might not possess the technology to conduct the appropriate experments.

[DTCwordfan]

Just a matter of curiosity, Jim; how much did you unravel the philosophy of Physics in your PhD (as I think if I remember that is what you have or are shooting for). One of the most interesting debates that I went through was the Philosophy of Geog and Geol, fundamentally the Determinism/Probabilism Schools (Humboldt and Ritter vs Weber, Kant - and yes there are linkages to Religion and the Greek schools, eg the Skeptics).

[society]

Some things are inexplicable, and psychic phenomenon is one.

[jim360]

I've given the philosophy a lot of thought and not necessarily reached any profound conclusions. I'd be happy even so to talk about it until the cows come home. It won't be a part of my PhD, no.

[Zacs-Master]

Well you've lost me.

[DTCwordfan]

Cos you are falling into a Deterministic way of thinking and perhaps Naomi and I are counter-arguing that there is an alternative view to explore, never mind possibilism, not that I am speaking for Naomi.