The Afterlife

[DeeLicious]

This is interesting: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/femail/article-5529827/Readers-share-stories-proving-afterlife.html Anybody on here had such experiences?

[Peter Pedant]

// Jim, Telling people they’ve imagined what they know they haven’t IS insulting.//

and some people are too stupid to know they have been insulted.

why dont we just settle on standard definitions

illusion - partial visual image completed by the brain.
I keep on seeing mice scurrying over the floor - actually it is my corneal scar.....interpreted by my brain as a lyttel mousey

hallucination - visual image without retinal stimulation

delusion - this seems good enough
"Delusions are fixed beliefs that do not change, even when a person is presented with conflicting evidence. Delusions are considered "bizarre" if they are clearly implausible and peers within the same culture cannot understand them."

afterlife - that would AB land after about 4 o'clock - ter daah ! seems to have started early today

[Peter Pedant]

// I would never dream of saying that someone did not see, or feel what they claim to have seen or felt. //

o jesus I would and did
Vicky Pollard rang up the police and told them I was in her garden at midnight - and I cdnt wait to tell them she couldnt have seen that as I was in London as proven by rail tickets and hotel receipts.

and did she say - I held her arm and I had the grip of the devil. She thought that Black Nick had come to claim her himself that night and she was terrified,as I breathed foul dog-breath into her face and laughed ?
No she didnt but I would have had no difficulty in saying that she couldnt have felt that - because I was in Lundy

[fender62]

at the time i never believed in anything spirit ghost related, it happened, thats all i can say and as i said my mate seen it as well.
we put down at the time as unusual, and that maybe, the dude was a sprinting champion, although he looked a bit old, as i said, their was just scrubland and no where to hide. all i can say is, i believe there is more..and if their is a life after, then im not afraid...nah

[hereIam]

I guess it's all down to whether or not something has happened to you which was outstanding, mind blowing, awesome, emotional - describe it as you will. Well something DID happen to me about a year after my beloved Dad had died. His message to me after I asked for one in great distress. I will NEVER forget it and I treasure it and it will sustain me till the day I die and am with him again. And if some want to come on and mock or disbelieve, so be it, I.dont.care ...

[naomi24]

jim, but you are letting someone else’s view of the world influence you – the psychiatrists who discount these stories and give their own reasons (even though they might be wrong) for these occurrences. You may not have experienced anything like it yourself but you have no reason other than the absence of personal experience, to disbelieve Fender. As I said earlier, if you don’t know the only honest answer you can possibly give is that you don’t know.

[NoMercy]

I had the intense smell of flowers all around my son's crib when he was just a few days old. I, my mother and aunt all experienced the same intense bouquet smell around my grandparents' arm chairs following their respective deaths in 2006 and 2012.

[fender62]

it has been said, that sometimes we see like repeats of past events, like a recording, true ? i have no idea, but its not the first time i have experienced such things, as i alluded about my dad, i believe it was him, i sincerely believe it, wishful thinking perhaps, but what a great thing, if its true and it is so, as to why we dont all see, maybe its that some are more in tune, by design or accident, i have no idea.

[fender62]

and dont say oh its because you want to believe, like i said earlier
i did not believe in nowt, jesus or otherwise.

[fender62]

and i still dont believe in any religion...old pony,

[Theland]

Whether you believe or not does not make it any more or less true. You might be wrong.
I think you are.

[fender62]

devils demons gods, sounds like a bloody fairy tale to scare the masses, believe or your doomed, ill tell ya, having lived as long as i have and seen some of the things i have, its an awful thing to fill peoples minds with torment if you do not join there particular brand of religion, sad that..anyway all i can say, ive seen what i have seen, 0 religion involved.

[fender62]

Theland, plz stop your religious dogma, how about this then, god is love..yea, our father yea, would you harm or torture your own children.

[dunnitall]

My take on this as in having experienced 'things' since a child is.... some people are tuned like radios and some aren't. It depends on the person so there is no right and wrong.....just that some can pick up, some cannot. Simples. I know what I have experienced for many, many years. One will never convince a person who isn't 'tuned' that these things happen. You accept it or not...I know what I have seen and heard....and it sure ain't imagination folk!

[fender62]

dunnitall, exactly..but theland would say your possessed by satan or being deceived by him, odd that, now think of this satan could possess world leaders and end the world, better to get one over on the general public...lol

[fender62]

bit like father xmas, gets all over the world to deliver presents..

[jim360]

"You may not have experienced anything like it yourself but you have no reason other than the absence of personal experience, to disbelieve Fender."

Nor, indeed, any reason to believe him, I'd have thought.

[dunnitall]

Jim......gerra life. Allow others their thoughts and what they see or hear. You believe what you like....it's a given but dont diss those who KNOW what they experience. Life is an enriching experience......we are all diffent ..... accept it. Humans are aggressive bstrds ain't they....!

[fender62]

if dead is dead and that gives you comfort so be it for you, as iv said iv lived a long life, seen many things, and im no fool..no no, this topic is about life after death maybe, my own conclusion is, after a long life and pondering, is......yes i believe we do go on, and visit now and again, if were able, like i said earlier, some people are aware..tuned in so to speak, and that carries over, the ability to move between worlds, or you could say if spirit allows..not jc either

[jim360]

The discussion here is not over whether or not you (fender) are mad or delusional, but on how seriously other people should take such stories. By rights, that should mean that other people are able to comment on them, offer alternative suggestions, and, yes, maybe on occasion say outright that such-and-such an account is clearly incorrect.

It's also interesting to note the apparent double standards that are at play, perhaps from both sides, whereby a person's story is (unconditionally) believed, whereas the analysis of many hundreds and thousands of psychologists, performed over a century or so, is airily described as "maybe wrong", with no further comment or justification. It might well be asked, among other things, why Naomi believes fender -- without simply falling back on the "why would he lie? -- therefore he's truthful" fallacy, that is; why psychologists "might be wrong", about what in particular, and so on; and how exactly one can distinguish between the competing explanations. Or is it simply that fender's experience is similar enough to one Naomi had that she is willing to accept that the two are related? That wouldn't be unreasonable, although from any outside perspective that still leaves the evidence for such occurrences being real as only anecdotal.

I also find it hard to believe, as dunnitall and fender both suggested, that it's down to some kind of "tuning", ie that some people are simply tuned in to the world in a way that others are not. Certainly this strikes me as rather convenient, since if there were the case then any and all negative results of the countless experiments that have tried to test this can just be magicked away as performed by those who were not "tuned in". Well, maybe it is indeed that, although again, does that not return to the problem I was suggesting earlier, that for some people this is simply a topic immune from scepticism?

I guess what I am trying to say is that no-one can have it both ways. If the experiences fender et al reported can be discussed, then they can be examined critically be an outside. And, if they can't be examined critically, then there's no point pretending that there's any discussion to be had.

But, to reiterate, I neither believer nor disbelieve you, Fender. Also, saying so is in no way meant to imply that you or anyone else shouldn't share your experiences, and I hope that you understand that to say so isn't meant to "diss" you.