Covid Wish It Wld Finish!

[eve1974]

Covid covid covid. Sick (no pun) of How Covid has altered our lives worldwide. I, (like many) kinda thought world wld have a grip on it by now (naively) but I’m finally realising that it’s here for a long time yet!

[Peter Pedant]

// In the UK the mortality rate in otherwise healthy people under 50 is bordering on being statistically irrelevant.//

the data is out there

I think SpiegelHalter the great statistician - who is Out on a Limb, a Gadfly for the govt - the great Heretic who of course should be listened to - said
"The mortality is predicable and grows steadily from birth to old age..."

no it doesnt

it is around zero up to age 50 - and then is high for 70-90

I have taken Gadflies with a pinch of DDT after that

Sage is full of intellectuals ALL saying - "the most important thing about Covid is that I have a small lab and staff and urgently need a LARGE lab and many staff.
That of itself will solve the Covid problem. Oh I need to be a super professor and not just an ordinary one and that last change is urgent! very urgent"

[Jude1630]

I read your link Danny, it does state in the exceptions list, registered childcare unless I’ve missed something, but thanks anyway

[ParsleyDumpling]

What I fail to understand is why it is OK (or no big fuss is made)for people to die from flu or pneumonia in their hundreds on a daily basis (throughout the summer), but the small number of deaths from Covid is not acceptable? Why is it OK for thousands of people to have treatment stopped, screenings cancelled etc. thus leading to many more excess, unnecessary and preventable deaths in the coming months, but again deaths from Covid seem to outweigh the real, identifiable risks to this course of action?

As sqad wrote, herd immunity is a cull, but does anyone really imagine that we can carry on with lockdowns (local or national) forever, or until (or even if) a safe vaccine is produced? Viruses kill people, as do bacteria, cancers, cars etc. we cannot hide from this fact. I think the sooner everyone (governments) accepts that Covid is here to stay, and that many more viruses in the future will probably cause us a threat, the better. It is very shortsighted to think we can beat Covid, just by locking ourselves away, we can't.
We absolutely have to take the very difficult decision, and realise that everything we do in our life probably carries some sort of risk, that may kill us, Covid is just another thing to add to that list. It isn't the first and it won't be the last.

[teacake44]

Yes , single parents, that's another area that's been draining the system, a mad night out in the pub on a Saturday night in the north east, then everyone else has to fund it after. So closing the pubs seems a good move. :0)

[dannyk13]

Jude, from that link Para2
// when meeting friends and family you do not live with (or have formed a support bubble with) you must not meet in a group of more than 6, indoors or outdoors//

[KARL]

Now I feel pangs of regret, maybe nobody picked up on the fact that my earlier post on this thread was intended to be sarcasm. There is the Swedish Way and the British Way - in the former people have in significant numbers spontaneously behaved sensibly without the benefit of officialdom's input (in the end the same thing really), in the UK people have in significant numbers instinctively done the opposite to what was advised/asked for. Elsewhere, some countries have neither type of controversy just get on with it and show how it can be done. I know for which I have more respect. Sqad is correct, the clamour for "freedom" from Covid advice/rules is a clamour for a cull (my mention of life being cheap).

[burlyshirley]

10:02, a second wave is inevitable anyway with or without these comments! Like someone on here says, people die all the time from allsorts of other illnesses, this has been blown out of all proportion.

[dannyk13]

Shirley //this has been blown out of all proportion.//
What is out of proportion is 41,700 deaths from Covid19.

[Bobbisox1]

10-35 who are these single parents you speak of because the one I mentioned is one of the best mothers ever and who certainly does not have'A mad night in the pub' in the North East, how dare you assume that every single parent does this?

[teacake44]

10.51, the only flaw in that, is that there's many all over the world dying of this illness, and half the deaths you're not hearing about, Brazil, Mexico, India,USA.

[chelle7272]

That is extremely rude, I was a single mum, not by choice, and never claimed any benefits. Don't tar everyone with the same brush thank you.

[Bobbisox1]

Teacake is vicious in her approach Chelle , take no notice of it ,I'm sure you were a really good parent

[ParsleyDumpling]

dannyk13 @ 10.57, that number although an excess over the average for those months does not mean Covid directly killed them. Other factors may also have contributed, we really need the annual figure, or even an average of the year to date compared to previous years.
Many doctors think that deaths will increase dramatically in the coming months and years, because the NHS in effect stopped treating anything other than Covid. I have to ask again, is that acceptable?
How long, realistically do people expect the health of the vast majority of the general population (and the economy) to be sacrificed at the alter of Covid? It may be a harsh thing to say, but the question needs to be asked and answered (honestly) quickly.

[Old_Geezer]

I'm unsure why folk suggest others are using the phrase 'herd immunity' incorrectly. It is as the words suggest.

"Herd immunity is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity. Wikipedia"

Get sufficient folk with antibodies in/from their immune system and the disease becomes rare enough for the rest to be unlikely to encounter it. Preventing infections in those for whom the illness will have slight consequences just prevents this occurring early/earlier, and so is a retrograde step.

[teacake44]

11.12 Who said I was tarring everyone with the same brush?

[chelle7272]

I'm aware bobbi thanks, but can't let it go every time :)

[fiction-factory]

I'm not going to enter a discussion on this but it's worth pointing out, OG, that we are nowhere near herd immunity. We need circa 60%. We are 5-10%. We would see maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths if we just waited for 60% to have had it

[Bobbisox1]

And so you shouldn't Chelle, not all single parents go out for mad nights in pubs, a lot I know are responsible young people who aren't single parents by choice

[chelle7272]

Agreed Bobbi, my son is grown now, but I don't like to see people judged when you have no idea of their circumstances or how they live, I'm sure most people feel the same