Ivf On The Nhs - I Dont Understand How This Is Discriminatory

[bednobs]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59206378
i read this story and found it very difficult to understand why these women say the policy is discriminatory, or why thier solicitors have taken th case on.
you either have to have been trying to get pregnant having unprotected sex for 2 years or have tried 12 rounds of insemination before being eligible on the NHS
This is no different between women in couples with men, single women, or lesbian couples. So in my mind it is not discriminatory.
I get very annoyed and the amount of money the NHS will have to pay for this judicial review. The NHS is on it's knees, and will offer the procedure if they fulfil the criteria whatever their orientation.
it wouldnt surprise me if the policy was altered to the detriment of ALL following this case), giving this couple the equality they want, meaning everyone can't get the procedue any more

[davebro]

Maybe they've been having unprotected sex with each other & can't figure out why it's not working?

[pixie374]

I agree to a point, DD, except a lot of those save them money in the long-run. Including mental health side.

[Redhelen72]

Have you ever tried to adopt? We have and been turned down twice!

[pixie374]

Sorry, to hear this, Helen, I kind of understand a previous thread much better now x
Anyone who thinks wanting a baby is purely a "lifestyle choice", is clearly just dismissing all female biology, hormones, instincts and however long of evolution.... it isn't like wanting a new handbag.

[pat2604]

Mental health suffers for so many reasons Pixie. There's a grestfocus on mental health now, which is good. Believe me, my mental health has suffered for many reasons. Just imagine how much it would cost if it was up to the NHS to sort out all life's problems.

[pixie374]

I agree, pat. It will be a long time before it is properly separated and taken into account, like physical health is. I guess infertility could be both.
We treat people who add to their own problems, or cause them, but this is neither.

[Peter Pedant]

I dont think you just knock on a judge's door and say wake up you old fool, judicial review time - turn ya wig on !

I think you have to apply ( first hearing showing you have something to say = have a case) - I am not sure if this can be defended ( crap crap crap judgie baby they dont have a case - NHS lawyer, for the NHS a lot of the time)

NHS have a litigation department - they are working against for every £100 moolah paid out to dead patients relatives, there is also £120 paid to the lawyers

It depends on the numbers - I thought the lesbos DID have a case on the numbers game - - Childless couples 100 attempts, Lesbos nil

[pat2604]

I'm sorry Red. That's sad. And obviously I don't know the reasons. But I do know people that have successfully adopted in recent years, but not babies.

I admit that I never felt the need for babies, but one happened 11 years into marriage, and I love him dearly. I obviously haven't got the appropriate hormones to make me want babies Pixie ;o). But I do like children.

[Stableford]

Is it available to women and men indiscriminately?

[pixie374]

Neither do I, nowadays, pat :-) grandchildren are fine :-)

I'm still wondering what is preventing people from just claiming "they tried"?

[pixie374]

Men need someone else, Stableford, to do the work. So, it's not really like for like.

[douglas9401]

I may have misunderstood your post, Deskdiary, but ramming it down the throat will not result in pregnancy.

[pixie374]

Don't bank on it! ;-)

[bednobs]

at the very beginnng of fertility treatment for hetero couples they do all the basic things like taking a sperm test, finding out the cycles and so on

[Stableford]

Ah, I see. Perhaps for those women who identify as men it can be a challenge to reproduce effectively. And for lesbians, trying to get pregnant, surely this is discriminatory against the child who surely has a very basic human right to a father and a mother? Is it really money well spent for the NHS to be exploring all options so any potential offence or discrimination is outlawed at all costs? Could the people in the NHS spending time (and our cash) on this not be more meaningfully employed?

[Redhelen72]

I didn't ask for babies either pat - was happy to accept a child of any age but we are too old for the adoption process even at 40!

[jennyjoan]

This is what I know as in I do know a few who have had the IVF - but whether it has changed I don't know for sure.

But here the National Health pays for the first time ie free. I believe it is now £6,000 - and of course you go private after that.

I actually know of a girl and her partner (male) have tried 4 times and are now finally pregnant with a little boy. The two of them don't have the greatest of jobs so I don't how they paid for it.

[davebro]

// we are too old for the adoption process even at 40!//

my friends - then aged 45 & 50 successfully adopted 2 year old twins.

[pat2604]

Plain stupid Red. I was 36 when I had my son, so in our 40s/50s for most of his young life. Older parents often make better parents. I was far more patient thank would have been as a young Mum and gave him much more time. He was my world!

[pixie374]

Stableford, babies have the basic right to be brought up in a safe and loving household. However it is made up, is not what matters.
The NHS needs to sort out the general mismanagement before getting more money, really. They are so wasteful on a daily basis.