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More and more people are getting vaxed against covid and yet cases are rising??
Shouldnt it be the other way around?
Shouldnt it be the other way around?
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// Nailit, the more tests done the more cases detected //
this is NJ's point and Trump's - - starp testing for chrissakes he said at one time
per head of population ( per million ) is the usual unit and this will allow detection of rises - if you test a sample ( they are doing 300 000s now) and it is 100 ( per million ) and the next day you test a sample again and it is 200 ( per million ) - then it has doubled
Good graphics on todays news - england is flat ( but high ) and Netherland and germany looking like the side of one of Tintin's rockets.
Holland looks as though the doubling time is around 7-10 d which is the one we had when we locked down a year ago
But things hae changed - bad boy of science Spiegenhalter was asked about Holland and Germany and said that he wasnt paid to have opinions about them. ( today news at one)
Bliimey - a year ago he would blaaart on anything like a good'un (price of diesel, beetroot crop whatever)
this is NJ's point and Trump's - - starp testing for chrissakes he said at one time
per head of population ( per million ) is the usual unit and this will allow detection of rises - if you test a sample ( they are doing 300 000s now) and it is 100 ( per million ) and the next day you test a sample again and it is 200 ( per million ) - then it has doubled
Good graphics on todays news - england is flat ( but high ) and Netherland and germany looking like the side of one of Tintin's rockets.
Holland looks as though the doubling time is around 7-10 d which is the one we had when we locked down a year ago
But things hae changed - bad boy of science Spiegenhalter was asked about Holland and Germany and said that he wasnt paid to have opinions about them. ( today news at one)
Bliimey - a year ago he would blaaart on anything like a good'un (price of diesel, beetroot crop whatever)
//Measeals, mumps, rubella, smallpox, polio, flu, etc,
all slow down when vaccines become widespread.
Covid???//
It’s because they do not test people who are not ill for all those diseases, nailit. The cases of those diseases where people need medical attention decline after a vaccination programme. The same as they have with Covid.
//…and the next day you test a sample again and it is 200 ( per million ) - then it has doubled//
And what, precisely, do you do when armed with that revelation?
all slow down when vaccines become widespread.
Covid???//
It’s because they do not test people who are not ill for all those diseases, nailit. The cases of those diseases where people need medical attention decline after a vaccination programme. The same as they have with Covid.
//…and the next day you test a sample again and it is 200 ( per million ) - then it has doubled//
And what, precisely, do you do when armed with that revelation?
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//Measeals, mumps, rubella, smallpox, polio, flu, etc,
all slow down when vaccines become widespread.
Covid???//
No comparison
The diseases you have mentioned rarely or if ever mean that the sufferer may or may not require a hospital ventilator and take up a bed space
That is probably why they are worried the nhs will be overrun in the winter
Respiratory diseases on a large scale will always be the most difficult to treat and deal with
Just a hunch though
//Measeals, mumps, rubella, smallpox, polio, flu, etc,
all slow down when vaccines become widespread.
Covid???//
No comparison
The diseases you have mentioned rarely or if ever mean that the sufferer may or may not require a hospital ventilator and take up a bed space
That is probably why they are worried the nhs will be overrun in the winter
Respiratory diseases on a large scale will always be the most difficult to treat and deal with
Just a hunch though
Also children are inoculated against measles etc from a young age and there effectiveness dont wear off as fast as the covid vaccines do.
So few cases exist. With covid we dont vaccinate under 12s and take up of those who mix most is low. And it's a silent spreader- some don't know they have it- no spots to warn them and others
So few cases exist. With covid we dont vaccinate under 12s and take up of those who mix most is low. And it's a silent spreader- some don't know they have it- no spots to warn them and others
//NJ; what's the difference between Exponential and exponential? I mean,//
Thanks for the pointer, Atheist. My error. My definition (Exponential = without any reduction in intensity or strength.) should have read “Unabated = without any reduction in intensity or strength.” I was challenging Peter’s contention: “unabated is exponsential” which it’s not. Thanks for pointing out my error.
//No comparison
The diseases you have mentioned rarely or if ever mean that the sufferer may or may not require a hospital ventilator and take up a bed space//
I wasn’t comparing them. The question raised was why have Covid cases continued to remain high following the vaccination programme whilst cases of those other diseases seem to decline. The answer is that cases of the other diseases are only recorded when the sufferers present for medical treatment. Cases of Covid are recorded when the sufferers (or in most cases, the non-sufferers) test positive for it. The vaccination programmes in the other diseases mean fewer sufferers pitch up at the doctors (so fewer cases are recorded). The vaccination programme for Covid has made scarcely any difference because, although the numbers needing medical treatment have declined considerably, mass testing still abounds among people who are not unwell. Most of those contracting the virus do not seek medical treatment whether they know they have the disease or not because most of them suffer either trivial symptoms or none at all.
Thanks for the pointer, Atheist. My error. My definition (Exponential = without any reduction in intensity or strength.) should have read “Unabated = without any reduction in intensity or strength.” I was challenging Peter’s contention: “unabated is exponsential” which it’s not. Thanks for pointing out my error.
//No comparison
The diseases you have mentioned rarely or if ever mean that the sufferer may or may not require a hospital ventilator and take up a bed space//
I wasn’t comparing them. The question raised was why have Covid cases continued to remain high following the vaccination programme whilst cases of those other diseases seem to decline. The answer is that cases of the other diseases are only recorded when the sufferers present for medical treatment. Cases of Covid are recorded when the sufferers (or in most cases, the non-sufferers) test positive for it. The vaccination programmes in the other diseases mean fewer sufferers pitch up at the doctors (so fewer cases are recorded). The vaccination programme for Covid has made scarcely any difference because, although the numbers needing medical treatment have declined considerably, mass testing still abounds among people who are not unwell. Most of those contracting the virus do not seek medical treatment whether they know they have the disease or not because most of them suffer either trivial symptoms or none at all.
Nailit 22:20, do not stop infection they make infection irrelevant in most case. Measles mumps etc are all still about but they are quickly see off by the immune system. Covid is has turned sanity to insanity. Of course people are still getting it but it has little noticeable effect. We need to stop the hysteria and most of the testing and start treating it like the other diseases you mention.
