ha ha, loopyc. I've done the cliff thing since I was about 8. Glad its not just me. Redcrx - I once drove a BMW from Hampshire to Glasgow, it rained all the way and the windscreen wipers would suddenly stop every 3rd or 4th wipe. The only way to get them going again was to turn the ignition off and on again. I mustve done it about 200 times on the journey, driving along at 70-80mph. Was concerned about the steering lock coming on but was all motorways so was fairly safe!!!