one word can make all the difference...

[Bbbananas]

...I've just received an e-mail inviting me to attend a course on Suicide Skills Training. What???!!! Are they trying to tell me something? Am I so unwanted? Do we really need a course on this - isn't it a little irresponsible & insensitive? I gulped on my mocha & read on... Reading through it - the idiot that sent me the e-mail missed out the word 'intervention' - as in Suicide Intervention Skills Training. Phew....

Any other such instances peeps can think of?

[luxury]

Hi Salla,

lol... here's my favourite site for suicide intervention skills...

http://suicideheaven.com/index.php?

L. :) x

[Bbbananas]

Suicide heaven?
God, that's awful. They probably intend well - take someone's mind off it etc, divert them from self-harm etc - but what a title? Weird.

BTW folks - I am not taking the mickey here about suicide - I know it's not a laughing matter, it was the e-mail omission I was joking about.

[logic]

Thing is, If you DO intervene is the person likely to thank you afterwards,?
Brings to mind the DUMB AND DUMBER incident,

[luxury]

I think if someones gonna top themselves, they aint going to let someone know. They just go ahead and do it.

How do you spot someone whos going to kill themselves?

[logic]

if someone has got the muzzle of a twelve bore shogun in their mouth, that's usually a good indication, luxury

[logic]

Hey salla how much longer we gotta put up with these unsmutty threads,
Just not cricket you know.

[luxury]

lol Logic!!! x

[luxury]

So, Salla... is it about talking people off roofs? and 12 bore shot guns in mouth type intervention?

[sqad617]

Morning salla....can't win eh? Logic wants you smutty and kjc slags you off. LOL

We all love you the way you want to be. (Eh! does that make sense?)

[luxury]

is smoking a form of suicide? would that come under the interventions?...

What about professional suicide?

[Bbbananas]

Morning logic, sqad - I know, I just can't win can I?!
But, this goody-tw0-shoes bit is only until Lent is over, and then I will have to review the situation - because the amount of brownie points I will have amassed may allow me a bit of smut leeway... what do you think? I may divulge the Des O'Connor story, the Jif story, the screwdriver story.... oh, await ye all with baited breath.

Anyway - back to the point.. I may attend this seminar, just out of curiosity. I expect there to be a lot of Samaritans there..?!

[NoMercy]

My brother commited suicide in Feb 2004. He had been depressed since the previous October when he split with his long-term girlfriend. He had been spouting off about killing himself and even wrote a 'final letter' on the 4th Jan that year. We didn't take him too seriously, as he was known for being a right so and so, and stamping his feet if he couldn't get his own way. However, sometime on Valentines's Night, he decided to take his own life. What followed was much remonstrating and blaming amongst the family, with those most unable to cope taking themselves into a vodka oblivion every single night. I have never blamed Tom, because it was his decision to make. Like me old mucker said at the time, the body is just a vehicle. Tom climbed out of the car and shut the door behind him.

I just wished I had known what signs to look for. x

[Bbbananas]

you can't blame yourself NoMercy - but I supose that guilt is always something that the family & friends of a suicide leave behind. So sad. Like I said, I wasn't taking the subject of suicide lightly. It;s a tragedy - & in most cases, a needless one.

[NoMercy]

Oh I know Salla - your not the type to take the pee out of a subject like this. I would have found your email amusing, too. x

There's always the unanswered questions:

What was going thru his mind in those last few minutes?

Did he do this to get back at us for not dancing to his tune?

Was it just a cry for help that went terribly wrong?

A lot of people say that suicide is the cowards' way out, but when all's said and done, it takes a lot of guts to take your own life. He was a spoilt little sod, but that wasn't really his fault. My Granddad put him up on a pedestal and even gave him �85k to buy his first house when he was 18. He wouldn't have given me the drippings off his nose (but then, being female, I was meant to be seen and not heard!)

I think this is a good thread and I do enjoy a serious discussion now and again, where I am able to contribute something in particular. x x

[Bbbananas]

Your questions will probably always go unanswered. In my experience, a lot are cries for help that go too far. all you can console yourself with is that he can't have been in his right mind.

[ummmm]

My Aunty (through marriage) committed suicide in 1996. I felt guilty for years. I use to bump into her quite a lot and she always asked me if I'd pop round for a coffee and a chat. I never got round to it......!!!

I use to think, what if she just needed someone to talk to and I was just too busy.

The saddest thing about it is my 12 year old cousin found her in the morning. She still has never cried.

[NoMercy]

I'm so sorry Ummmm. x

I cried with shock when I first found out about my brother. But at the funeral, none of us cried. Even when they played "You'll Never Walk Alone". When I think about him now, there is no longer a sadness, just a collection of good memories.

I think this is because he has come to me in a couple of dreams since he died. In one, he told me he was passing thru to "collect someone" and that he was at peace on the other side. Three days later, my Grandfather died from a sudden Brain Haemorrhage. I'm still spooked now.

[sqad617]

salla...the trick is to try and sort out of all the depressives which are likely to commit suicide.
Depressives:
1)Exogenous...something has upset them e.g break up of
marriage, loss of job etc.
2) Endogenous....nothing apparent....may be family history
of suicide.

Usually it is the latter type that tends to commit suicide.

This is a generalisation, but is close to the truth.

[NoMercy]

Hey guys - I'm signing off now, cos I gotta lot to do before I go to Spain on Sunday. Gotta get a joint of Beef from Asda to put in my suitcase !!! lol

Have a good day all, and think happy thoughts!! X

[ummmm]

I'm ok about it now. I'm very close with my cousin (her daughter) who has only just started counselling.

I can see her issues in her behaviour at times.