The Perils Of Privatisation - Part X
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could it be my appendix?
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I know that if something is wrong with you're appendix you get an excrutinating pain just above your right leg (but i think some people have theres on left). But i'm getting cramp in the corresponding place to where my dads operation scare is from when he had his out and he can't remember if his started out like cramp (it was 50 years ago) could it be that, if not what else, its too far right and the wrong time for normal womens cramp.
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Sqad - the online sites advertising medical services where it clearly states you will talk to a doctor would be breaking so many laws to not actualy have doctors doing the answers. the law its self takes care of the trust issue.
however the people on here are not qualified to answer medical questions and even if they were , face to face consultation where sight or feel of affected area's can take place by trained qualified people.
as for translators as to medical terms , tell the doctor your not sure what they are saying . its down to the doctor to explain what they mean and down to the patient to ask for that explination when they are not sure.
it is classed as a bad bedside manner to not elaborate , however if the patient isnt asking what does this mean " cause effect treatment " then the doctor cannot be blamed , but people have to stop thinking the doctor is busy and start thinking im paying for this so i want service and want to know what is going on.
As regards languages , if someone doesnt understand the local language they should take a local language speaking person with them to help translate.
but the bottom line is false diagnosis can cost lives and therefore is extremely dangerous .
the doctor is the place to go and the doctor should be the one to elaborate .
however the people on here are not qualified to answer medical questions and even if they were , face to face consultation where sight or feel of affected area's can take place by trained qualified people.
as for translators as to medical terms , tell the doctor your not sure what they are saying . its down to the doctor to explain what they mean and down to the patient to ask for that explination when they are not sure.
it is classed as a bad bedside manner to not elaborate , however if the patient isnt asking what does this mean " cause effect treatment " then the doctor cannot be blamed , but people have to stop thinking the doctor is busy and start thinking im paying for this so i want service and want to know what is going on.
As regards languages , if someone doesnt understand the local language they should take a local language speaking person with them to help translate.
but the bottom line is false diagnosis can cost lives and therefore is extremely dangerous .
the doctor is the place to go and the doctor should be the one to elaborate .
S-C.......I agree with all you say, then why are medical forums so popular?
As far as qualifications are concerned for on-line....I cannot see a foul proof way as to the assessment of their qualifications.
On AB there is at least one and another who is medically trained that regularly give answers and these, in my opinion, are authenticated by the quality of their answers.
Yes one can copy and past and give links without any medical training at all, but the answers soon highlight this.
So why are Medical forums so popular and would we be better without them?
As far as qualifications are concerned for on-line....I cannot see a foul proof way as to the assessment of their qualifications.
On AB there is at least one and another who is medically trained that regularly give answers and these, in my opinion, are authenticated by the quality of their answers.
Yes one can copy and past and give links without any medical training at all, but the answers soon highlight this.
So why are Medical forums so popular and would we be better without them?
forums online are popular because people dont want to both the doctor and also because seeing a doctor can take time to arrange ,
quote " This is the big danger of Body and Soul....dangerous and misleading advice. "
its good someone saw that it was the incorrect advice , however consider this the person asking for the advice say the post giving missleading advice just before offline and never saw any correction posted after.
that person believing the advice is sound does what is adviced , not knowing it is totaly wrong , and it later causes compications maybe even fatality.
tell me who would you consider to be at fault ?
the person taking the advice
the person posting that advice who didnt know better
the site for having medical questions " even with qualified people " who didnt answer in time or see the question / answer in time ,to correct the thread
or the fact we have unqualified people making up medical forums and in those forums people are being diagnosed.
even a doctor without your medical records can misdiagnose a problem if they have no knowledge of previous illness that could or could not be related
its simple logic i wouldnt trust a painter / decorator to tell me i had gall bladder stones when it could just as easily be any number of problems, and neither should anyone else . however sad this may sound but for some reason people become very trusting when it comes to listening to people they dont know . and this could be to their own demise.
yes i think medical forums online should be closed down , and doctors be seen instead.
quote " This is the big danger of Body and Soul....dangerous and misleading advice. "
its good someone saw that it was the incorrect advice , however consider this the person asking for the advice say the post giving missleading advice just before offline and never saw any correction posted after.
that person believing the advice is sound does what is adviced , not knowing it is totaly wrong , and it later causes compications maybe even fatality.
tell me who would you consider to be at fault ?
the person taking the advice
the person posting that advice who didnt know better
the site for having medical questions " even with qualified people " who didnt answer in time or see the question / answer in time ,to correct the thread
or the fact we have unqualified people making up medical forums and in those forums people are being diagnosed.
even a doctor without your medical records can misdiagnose a problem if they have no knowledge of previous illness that could or could not be related
its simple logic i wouldnt trust a painter / decorator to tell me i had gall bladder stones when it could just as easily be any number of problems, and neither should anyone else . however sad this may sound but for some reason people become very trusting when it comes to listening to people they dont know . and this could be to their own demise.
yes i think medical forums online should be closed down , and doctors be seen instead.
s_c that is you opinion which I respect.
Would you also close down NHS Direct?...a medical forum with NO medically qualified staff?
I have been posting to AB Body and Soul for 3 yrs and in my opinion I have seen, expert advice, good advice, ridiculous anecdotes, medical myths,but I have NEVER seen "life threatening advice.
Would you also close down NHS Direct?...a medical forum with NO medically qualified staff?
I have been posting to AB Body and Soul for 3 yrs and in my opinion I have seen, expert advice, good advice, ridiculous anecdotes, medical myths,but I have NEVER seen "life threatening advice.
NHS direct i always thought was a cop out by the NHS .
given the choice yes i would close that to. going by your own figures its a waiste of public money and most are sent to see their GP or A&E after anyway
i do note that you do appear to avoid answering my question .
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Sqad (Fri 06:25 15/Jan/10)
joko....that is dangerous and misleading.
The test that you have described is called "Rebound Phenomenon"and is a test to confirm...PERITONITIS. an entirely different , advanced and life threatening condition.
This is the big danger of Body and Soul....dangerous and misleading advice. !"
may not be exactly fatal information but in your own words Dangerous Misleading information.
Quote " , there is no substitute for seeing a doctor " Sorry that was mine .
now i think we have stollen enough from this thread , why you actualy chose me to have this debate with im unsure but i think we will have to agree to disagree .
there are obvious points for and against having a medical type forum , the danger is when people start coming to it with anything not minor .
given the choice yes i would close that to. going by your own figures its a waiste of public money and most are sent to see their GP or A&E after anyway
i do note that you do appear to avoid answering my question .
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Sqad (Fri 06:25 15/Jan/10)
joko....that is dangerous and misleading.
The test that you have described is called "Rebound Phenomenon"and is a test to confirm...PERITONITIS. an entirely different , advanced and life threatening condition.
This is the big danger of Body and Soul....dangerous and misleading advice. !"
may not be exactly fatal information but in your own words Dangerous Misleading information.
Quote " , there is no substitute for seeing a doctor " Sorry that was mine .
now i think we have stollen enough from this thread , why you actualy chose me to have this debate with im unsure but i think we will have to agree to disagree .
there are obvious points for and against having a medical type forum , the danger is when people start coming to it with anything not minor .
sqad...are you a doctor? no i didnt think so.
it is a test also used for appenicits - which you would be aware of it yo were so knowledgable.
you really should check your own facts before spouting off, and accusing others of giving dangerous and misleading advice.
type appendicitis and rebound tenderness/pain into google... you will see pages of information on this and how it is used to diagnose appendicitis.
# Physical Examination
Details about the abdominal pain are key to diagnosing appendicitis. The doctor will assess pain by touching or applying pressure to specific areas of the abdomen.
Responses that may indicate appendicitis include
•Guarding. Guarding occurs when a person subconsciously tenses the abdominal muscles during an examination. Voluntary guarding occurs the moment the doctor’s hand touches the abdomen. Involuntary guarding occurs before the doctor actually makes contact.
•Rebound tenderness. A doctor tests for rebound tenderness by applying hand pressure to a patient’s abdomen and then letting go. Pain felt upon the release of the pressure indicates rebound tenderness. A person may also experience rebound tenderness as pain when the abdomen is jarred—for example, when a person bumps into something or goes over a bump in a car.
http://digestive.nidd...es/pubs/appendicitis/
http://health.howstuffworks.com/appendix1.htm
there are plenty of others - i suggest you look
it is a test also used for appenicits - which you would be aware of it yo were so knowledgable.
you really should check your own facts before spouting off, and accusing others of giving dangerous and misleading advice.
type appendicitis and rebound tenderness/pain into google... you will see pages of information on this and how it is used to diagnose appendicitis.
# Physical Examination
Details about the abdominal pain are key to diagnosing appendicitis. The doctor will assess pain by touching or applying pressure to specific areas of the abdomen.
Responses that may indicate appendicitis include
•Guarding. Guarding occurs when a person subconsciously tenses the abdominal muscles during an examination. Voluntary guarding occurs the moment the doctor’s hand touches the abdomen. Involuntary guarding occurs before the doctor actually makes contact.
•Rebound tenderness. A doctor tests for rebound tenderness by applying hand pressure to a patient’s abdomen and then letting go. Pain felt upon the release of the pressure indicates rebound tenderness. A person may also experience rebound tenderness as pain when the abdomen is jarred—for example, when a person bumps into something or goes over a bump in a car.
http://digestive.nidd...es/pubs/appendicitis/
http://health.howstuffworks.com/appendix1.htm
there are plenty of others - i suggest you look
joko...would a Bachelor degree in Medicine, Bachelor degree in Surgery, Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons help?
I do not need to check your links.
I resent your comment of spouting off.
the absence of "rebound tenderness" does NOT exclude a diagnosis of acute appendicitis. Rebound tenderness is also called Peritonism and is present in many other conditions than acute appendicitis.
In the case of mollykins, had she performed your test and it was not present, might lead her to suspect that she did not have acute appendicitis when she might well have done.
Peritonism is NOT diagnostic solely of acute appendicitis.
I do not need to check your links.
I resent your comment of spouting off.
the absence of "rebound tenderness" does NOT exclude a diagnosis of acute appendicitis. Rebound tenderness is also called Peritonism and is present in many other conditions than acute appendicitis.
In the case of mollykins, had she performed your test and it was not present, might lead her to suspect that she did not have acute appendicitis when she might well have done.
Peritonism is NOT diagnostic solely of acute appendicitis.
sqad...fair enough, i accept that i should have made it more clear that that was just a guideline test, and not conclusive proof or a diagnosis...
however, you claimed that i had given her details of a test used ONLY for something else, and stated that my doctor and me were 'wrong'...
we are not, it is a test used for appendicitis, as the links, my doctor and me stated... that is what i was disagreeing with.
i assume that anyone asking on here would take any advice given as merely a guide...and not as fact or a diagnosis - even if given by someone claiming to be medically trained...i also assume they know they would be foolish not to seek genuine medical attention.
however, you claimed that i had given her details of a test used ONLY for something else, and stated that my doctor and me were 'wrong'...
we are not, it is a test used for appendicitis, as the links, my doctor and me stated... that is what i was disagreeing with.
i assume that anyone asking on here would take any advice given as merely a guide...and not as fact or a diagnosis - even if given by someone claiming to be medically trained...i also assume they know they would be foolish not to seek genuine medical attention.
no worries sqad, me neither
society, this is nothing to do with you so kindly keep out of it - I am rude to others when attacked - like now - or when unnecessarily challenged because of a question I ask...i do not need to defend myself to you or anyone else, and dont appreciate sarcastic, sneery or condescending demands for irrelevant answers.
society, this is nothing to do with you so kindly keep out of it - I am rude to others when attacked - like now - or when unnecessarily challenged because of a question I ask...i do not need to defend myself to you or anyone else, and dont appreciate sarcastic, sneery or condescending demands for irrelevant answers.
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