Sympathy, None

[teacake44]

About time the likes of O'Leary was bought back down to earth, (literally) greedy selfish, laughing all the way to the bank, fleecing passengers at every opportunity. Not any more, the boots are on the other feet. :0)

[Theland]

Chico, you sound like a Victorian mill owner.

[teacake44]

15.37 Shame their now on their uppers, cutting one's coat to suit one's cloth I'm afraid now.

[naomi24]

//Shame their now on their uppers, //

'They' are not on their uppers, teacake, but their thousands of former employees could be. What a hoot! Serves 'em right, eh?

[New Judge]

//I'm confident that the numerous professional bodies that analyse the NHS and find it wanting more funding, are not blind to your figures,//

I’m sure they’re not. The problem is that the NHS will always be short of money. You could provide it with the nation’s entire wealth and it would still be insufficient. Any outfit offering its services “free” at the point of delivery will never have enough cash as demand will always eat up supply.

// neither can the poor performance in many areas, be simply attributed to widespread failings of management.//

Yes it can. The NHS is absolutely awash with managers at all levels, many of them highly paid. It is also supported by various quangos and committees with similarly highly paid staff. Their job is to manage the services they provide within the budgets that they have. NHS management has been shown to be woefully poor during this crisis.

//The buck stops with the politicians, and yes, funding has been cut from what was needed as part of the austerity programme.//

Politicians agree to and provide the funding. They don’t manage the service. If the funding was inadequate I might tend to agree with you. But it’s not. It’s simply badly spent.

[naomi24]

Absolutely right, NJ.

[retrocop]

My wife worked at one time in Outpatients in Queen Mary's Hospital Roehampton. Every year her department was redecorated and carpeted. They had to use up the budget allocated to them each year or lose it. The budget was allocated by very well paid managers (bean counters) in their NHS provided Rover cars. I bet the millions thrown at the NHS and abused by managers could of bought warehouses full of ventilators and PPE ,much needed now, instead of an annual paint job in a department that does not need it.
Don't blame any government for the woes and shortages of the NHS.
It has long been the ineptness of management who wouldn't know the difference between a Hickman line and a Spatula.

[Theland]

So the managers are responsible for inadequate PPE?
OK then.

[Theland]

Have any politicians actually said that numpty managers are responsible for squandering the nations hard earned cash?
If so I am not aware of it.

[teacake44]

It might be that lots of folk spend all their money abroad, five times a year, and then expect treatment from the NHS when they return. :0)

[retrocop]

//So the managers are responsible for inadequate PPE?
OK then. //

Yes. That is exactly why I wrote it.

[Theland]

Retro - The politicians must have missed that.

[naomi24]

Theland, // The main goods the NHS buys are equipment and medicines. In response to the pandemic, this equipment has included ventilators and personal protective equipment (PPE) – gloves, aprons, surgical masks, eye protection and protective gowns.//

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/nhs-procurement

[naomi24]

//Retro - The politicians must have missed that. //

No Theland, you missed it.

[andy-hughes]

teacake - // It might be that lots of folk spend all their money abroad, five times a year, and then expect treatment from the NHS when they return. :0) //

If, as I suspect, that is a dig at newjudge, then I feel you are being unfair.

If newjudge has paid into the NHS, and as an employed tax payer, I am sure he has, then he is entitled to the benefits it offers.

Fortunately, the access to the NHS is not determined and reduced commensurate with the amount of money an individual has chosen to spend outside the UK.

That's not how it works.

[retrocop]

///Have any politicians actually said that numpty managers are responsible for squandering the nations hard earned cash?
If so I am not aware of it. //

Not yet. I am sure those questions will arise when there is a de-brief at the Parliamentary enquiry post corvid .

There are some care homes that are coping well with their store of PPE due to good management provision pre the covid crisis.

[teacake44]

Funny how the ones that have had their fair share of treatment from the NHS, are now pulling them apart. They tend to forget what they've said in past posts.

[naomi24]

// It might be that lots of folk spend all their money abroad, five times a year, and then expect treatment from the NHS when they return. :0) //

The don't spend all their money abroad. They spend some of it on the taxes that pay for their healthcare in this country. They have every right to be treated here.

[andy-hughes]

teacake - I am unsure what exactly is vexing you so much today.

It appears you have an issue with Mr O'Leary being, as you put it, greedy, selfish, laughing all the way to the bank, fleecing passengers …

but you haven't provided any evidence to back up this perception.

In the current climate, a number of people grouped into individual sections such as chairmen, managers, footballers, and so on, are being targeted as somehow making money out of the crisis, or at least, not being fair and exploiting it in some way.

But as I say, you don't seem to have any evidence to back up your position, other than a personal animosity towards people 'in charge' - or at least this one individual on this occasion.

What exactly has Mr O'Leary done, or indeed not done, to cause such ire?

[douglas9401]

The questions may arise but I'll bet 20p of my own money that they won't be answered other than 'lessons will be learned'.

Incompetence and laziness dog the system.