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Retro, it's only a half wind up, what triggered this was that we had a friend visit us (at his request) and we had already arranged to go on a visit to a brewery. We could hardly have *** off and left him to fend for himself so we had to check up that vegetarian food was available at the designated eatery. My point is that if he had not been a vegetarian we would not have had to go to that trouble. We have another vegetarian frend who stays with us once a year, so we can only go to restaurants that provide vegetarian food. From a non-veggie point of view non-vegetarians are so much easier to entertain than vegetarians who's dietary needs have to be considered all the time. Do they eat eggs? fish? dairy? spread containing a little butter flavour? foods such as biscuits or cakes containing animal fats? drinks containing animal derived clearing agent? and so on ..there is no such thing as a standard veggie, they all have different 'needs'. As a friend of ours once said to his wife who was about to make a phone call 'stop, don't invite them, they are vegetarians'.