Can anyone point me in the right direction to look further...

[askyourgran]

for my Gt Gt Gt grandfather. Gt Gt GF is John Litherland b 1812 in Wolverhampton Staffs married in Leeds? 1843 to Ruth nee Osborn b1815 of scarborough. I seem to have come to a halt as most of the info is in the Census and any records before this need more detail than I have.

[dotty.]

try a search here:
https://familysearch.org/

[craft1948]

Are you sure he was born in Wolverhampton?
The censuses seem to show he lived in Wolverhampton but was born in Birmingham..............

[dotty.]

There's a possible baptism in Shuttington warwickshire 19 jan 1812

[askyourgran]

Thank you I'll have a look at Family search dotty. I haven't signed up for membership yet.

Craft I had him as being born in Wolverhampton, the Birmingham link seemed a bit tenuous I wasn't sure I had it right. There are quite a lot of holes in my tree atm anyway.

[dotty.]

Oddly, neither the originl IGI nor the new search pilot has the parents recorded in the transcription and so I will search for any other Litherland baptisms at that time in Shuttington

[dotty.]

no need to sign up for membership it is free gran

[craft1948]

Was he married before?
In the 1841 census there is a John Litherland born 1816 with a wife called Hannah born 1811, and a Hannah Litherland died in Leeds in 1841.
The only thing that makes me ask is that your John and this one were both Nail Makers.

[dotty.]

A Timothy Litherland ws baptised 1815 at Shuttington son of Thomas and Sarah
Thomas bap 1813
but there is also a Richard and Mary having children baptised in Shuttington at the same time.
Shuttington is more Tamworth thn Birmingham though

[craft1948]

A John Litherwood born 1812 married Hannah Dodsworth born 1812 04/01/1835 in St Peters, Leeds.

[askyourgran]

I don't know about him craft, or anyone except John b 1812 that far back, There seems to be a lot of the family working in Shoe/boot making, I have a Walter b 1845 who was a cut nail maker, his daughter Ruth b1867 was working age 14 as a nail machine feeder. My Gt Gt Grandfather Alfred b 1852 was a leather cutter and Harriet Ann was a boot machinist.

[craft1948]

^ sorry Litherland.............

[dotty.]

was Ruth married to someone called Guest cos it looks like her daughter maria is listed as John's daughter-in-law instead of step-daughter

[craft1948]

He married Ruth Guest in 1843 in Leeds dotty............

[dotty.]

someone on ancestry already has your john's family, he was baptised Birmingham St Martin 19th feb 1810 son of Samuel and jane Litherland.
John and his first wife had a daughter elizabeth born 1837 . he died 14 aug 1872 is that correct?

[dotty.]

yeah Ruth Osborn married John Henry Guest in 1837 and so they were both widowed when they married in 1843.

[askyourgran]

Thanks for the Tamworth link dotty, I had dismissed that earlier, it could be the generation I'm looking for. I saw the name Ruth Guest and I saw Maria too, but didn't know who she was. Ruth Hannah b1867 married in 1889 but I thought it was Russell. And Gt gt Grandma Ruth Osborn b 1815 I think was married in 1843 to John b 1812. The only other Ruth is b 1876 to Frank b1853 and Harriet Ann (that's a strange story).
Craft the Leeds link is interesting I have some names that I can't match up with the families I have. They all come from Hunslet Leeds, I will follow them up tomorrow. It could be that John married Hannah, I have it that he married Ruth in 1843. I'll have to log off now, thanks very much to you both for your help, I've been getting nowhere with this lately.

[craft1948]

ayg it's...............
1. John Litherland married Hannah Dodsworth 1835 in Leeds - Hannah died in 1841.
2. Ruth Osburn married John Henry Guest 1837 in Leeds - John died in 1842.
3. John Litherland married Ruth Guest nee Osburn in 1843 in Leeds.