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Untitled | 14:13 Thu 02nd Feb 2023 | History
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Holocaust memorial day trust has produced a short video on the attack made by the nazis on the LGBT community during the holocaust...

https://youtu.be/Qlj5kQQYOWo

more information...

https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/gay-people/

i had no idea that the allies kept the same laws in place which prevented these people from seeking help as victims of nazism.... shameful!!

as hostility toward trans people is on the rise in the modern day and trans women in particular are often portrayed as threatening and prefatory this seems like an important history to remember
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' I was looking for actual unbiased stats'

In what way are the links I provided, biased?
//In 2022 the number of hate crimes against transgender individuals rose 56% (to 4,355) compared to the previous year...//

That could possibly be a function of the very vocal and sometimes unpleasant campaigns being presented by transgender people and their supporters. When women who question transgender rights (as they believe they will adversely affect them) are labelled “TERFS” and when some transgender supporters suggest it is acceptable to call for their decapitation, people sometimes get the hump. Those who may not be prepared to put their argument in a civil fashion (and there are a lot of them about) may be inclined to commit “hate” crimes:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23268023.police-probe-decapitate-terfs-sign-trans-rally/

//I mean that they declined to amend the german penal code where it discriminated against LGBT people but presumably did remove the parts that discriminated against jews//

Ah, right. Did they amend the German Penal Code in favour of Jews? (I don’t know, just asking). What you have to remember is that they were different times. It was getting on for eighty years ago. Attitudes then were very different to those of today.
So determined is untitled to defend the TG rapist going to a female nick that he is prepared to invoke the holocaust. As I said at the start of that thread, un-effing-believable!
Zacs, all reports are biased... which is why I asked for official stats. It was a little unfair, tbh, because Google will not give you them, however you word it. I purely wanted to see where Untitled was coming from- and if it was purely online info. Sorted now x
It has to be remembered that homosexuality was only made legal in the UK in 1967.
OK pix. Any stats to back up your claim that 'Gender dysphoria- for those that genuinely go ahead with surgery... it actually shows an increase in suicide'?
No, not from a Google link, zacs. It's kind of what i am saying... no matter how you word it- it will tell you what "most people" want to know.
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the first sentence is part of the literature review pixie... it's intended to set out the gap that the paper intends to fill... it is a normal part of academic publishing
Then why did you write it, Pix?
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para 175 was amended by the nazis to be more discriminatory and it was left like that

"I find it disgusting that anyone would want to categorize the victims of one of Human kinds darkest atrocities in terms of modern day idiocy."

did you read my links on page one about the Hirschfeld institute?
Purely just for example...
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence
You can find anything you want to online- doesn't make it true.
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"So determined is untitled to defend the TG rapist going to a female nick that he is prepared to invoke the holocaust. As I said at the start of that thread, un-effing-believable!"

i am not interested in defending that person at all
Oh, OK.
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pixie

do you understand the difference between the heritage foundation and a peer reviewed medical journal and if so would you mind outlining what you think that difference is?
Different times, different rules and no clunky abbreviations.
No problem I was just showing that everyone can find a "report" or link to support what they say.

I will just ask you, once more... as this is clearly not just dysphoria now.... why do you think transgender and transsexual... are interchangeable?
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because my understanding is that the word "transsexual" was coined in an earlier era and "transgender" is the more modern term to describe essentially the same group of people factoring in the advances in medicine since the word "transsexual" was coined... a tiny bit like the way we used to call PTSD "shellshock" or used to call HIV "GRID"
untitled: "did you read my links on page one about the Hirschfeld institute? " - yes I did but I don't see why it's necessary to analyse the proclivities of murder victims. Lots of groups could be distilled from the overall but are not why do you see it necessary to distil this one? I just don't understand what you are getting at.
Ah no, transsexual is someone with dysphoria- who is serious enough to actually go through surgery and hormones. Ime, at least, they still understand they are actually men (or vv).
Transgender, covers someone literally saying "I am now a woman" or vv....
Lbh, even a man, say, having a cosmetic op and fake hormones, still remains a man. We all know this... so, if it works for him, the problem was clearly not that he was the wrong sex. That hasn't changed. It would be better to adjust social expectations and judgement, surely??
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I think the history is important because trans people still face significant hostility in the modern world and it's important to remember the dangers of attacking and dehumanising them... those victims would want to be remembered for who they were, not for who their murderers said they were

it's not just me who says so - holocaust memorial organisations and the german parliament do as well

and also on top of all that i do just think it is interesting... i read quite a lot about the holocaust and didn't know much about this at all!

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