Hi Craft, Dot

[caslass]

My mum was born in York in May 1924. I belive her Mum died in childbirth. She had 2 older sisters Barbara and Mary and a brother Terry. When their mum died their father went back to Ireland. The children were put into care. At a later date he came back and insisted they went in to catholic care. Hence the girls went to somewhere near Middlesborough, I don't know where the boy went. My mothers name was McGough. I think her mums name was Battle. What happened to their father I don't have a clue. I should add my mum's name was Patricia.

[craft1948]

Will have a look in the morning cas......

[craft1948]

John McGough married Barbara Battle in York 1918 Q4 9d 109

Barbara McGough born York 1919 Q4 9d 70
Mary McGough born York 1921 Q2 9d 49
Terence McGough born York 1922 Q3 9d 60
Patricia McGough born York 1924 Q3 9d 35

[craft1948]

Barbara McGough died in York 1925 Q1 9d 58 aged 31 so was born 1893/4.
Barbara Battle was born in York 1893 Q4 9d 42
1901 census living at 21 Hope Street, York
John Battle 45 - Brickyard Labourer
Jane Battle 42 - maiden name White
Ellen Battle 18
Winifred Battle 16
Barbara Battle 7
Francis Battle 5
Daniel Battle 3
Lily A Battle 1

[craft1948]

To have a chance of finding out about John McGough you need to get a copy of his marriage certificate to Barbara Battle, giving his father's name and any witnesses.
However I have found a John McGough in the 1911 census and think this may be your man as he was living at 62 Hope Street while Barbara's family were at 21 Hope Street. and if this is right he wasn't born in Ireland but in York.
There was a massive Irish community in York at that time, I know 'cos they included my grandma's family and nearly all lived in the Walmgate area of the city, which is where Hope Street is.
I'll try and get some details in case this is the right guy and you can compare them with the marriage certificate.

[craft1948]

Actually we may do better if we wait for the marriage certificate as although a John McGough was born in York 1889 Q3 9d 36 another John McGough was born in Middlesborough in 1886 Q2 9d 625, and this may be why the children were sent to Middlesborough.
HTH.....

[caslass]

Hi craft. Thanyou for all your good work. I have being thinking about your reply for over an hour. In trying to find out about my past it would appear that most of what I thought was the trith is in fact a lie. Not just on my mothers side but my fathers too. As a child when I asked questions I was either fobbed off, or as it appears now lied to. It makes me wonder what did they have to hide. I wonder if they even told each other the truth about their past. I will think about my next move. Thanks for your help. I will let you know what I decide to do. Take Care. Cas♥

[craft1948]

Hey cas if you want to proceed I'll help......if you don't that's not a problem.....you take care.

[dothawkes31]

Cas i really don't think you need to dwell too much on what you were or weren't told as a child. Families kept children in the dark as they knew no other way to cope with the upset, confusion and possible shame of their actions, there were nor counsellors and agony aunts, no easy divorce, no state benefit system to help mums cope with being abandoned, ot with walking away from a unhappy or cruel marriage.
You should actually use the information you find to help explain your confusion at the lies you feel were told, they were told to protect you and keep you from worry.

I have just had a marriage certificate of my kids great great uncle, he married for tyhe first time aged 45 in 1953, we can only wonder what kept him a batchelor for so long, but he had been taken from his family home by the Catholic Nuns in 1913 and brought up in an orphanage after both parents died in 1913, but we now know he had 2 children in the late 1950s and so we have found close family that we never knew existed, even after doing this research since 1987, there is still something out there to surprise, stay with it cas, you never know what or who you'll find, but the dead won;t care and you'll know the truth.