holocaust

[sunshine-kt]

what evidence is there to proof that the holocaust happened?

[andy hughes]

Take your pick - camps, survivivors, historical records .... got it now?

[tartanwiz]

Testimonies of thousands of survivors, witnesses and tried war criminals and camp guards. You can actually visit Auswitz today - it's still there.  You can see films and photos of hundreds of Jews squeezed into cattle trucks to be taken away to the camps.  Unless, of course, you don't want want to believe it happened and that thousands of people were liars and that 6 million Jews and Gypsies just somehow disappeared.

[oops!!!]

How old are you sunshine?

I was almost 10 when the war ended and when the newsreels of the day showed us what had been happening in those death camps .The whole cinema was horror stricken.. I tell you ,.the sight  of it stays with me until this day.I will never forget seeing bulldozers scooping  up dead bodies .Bodies that had been walking skeletons before they died.And the ones that were  alive? Once they had been  fit and healthy but not any more.Now they were reduced to bones covered in shrivelled skin trying to hold out their hands  trying to ask for food.And they were the lucky ones  6 million were exterminated.It was heartbreaking ,unbelievable what one human being could do to another.Look at those newsreels now and weep .Yes, it did happen.And  I hope it never happens again.

[MargeB]

Why do you ask? Do you think there is a lack of evidence that it happened? Or evidence that it didnt'? Why did the first answer get one star? I agree with the first answer.

[mikeypr]

I can't belive you are so ignorant, after all that has been written and shown about what happened.

I suppose you think the daily news is a soap opera.

[Philtaz]

I'm often perplexed at questioons surrounding the validity of The Holocaust.  There is enough personal testimony, documentary evidence and photography, along with former concentration camps still standing as monuments to the worst act of genocide in modern history.

If you have any doubts sunshine-kt why not take a trip to the camps of Aushwitz, Bergen-Belsen or any other still standing?  I myself went to Dachau(not that I needed proof) where one is left in no doubt as to the authenticity of mass murder by the Nazis on a biblical scale.

If you need any more history lessons, feel free to ask.................

[cassimer]

It all depends on how you look at it. There is an historian (althouh widely discredited and very very much alone in the acedemic community) who believes that it did not take place, in as much as hitler and the powers that be did not sanction or indeed know of the specifics of persectution of the Jewish and other groups such as gypsies. The fact that we have survivers etc proves that it did happen, but when the sanctioning of such terrible crimes, who took the initiative and whether it was a co-ordinated genocide is considered the arguments become far more complicated. It is easy to say that hitler and everyone knew what they were doing, but it is important to remember that many Germans at the time did not know what they were taking part in, and others that it was happening at all. Many records were destroyed (or perhaps never existed) and so there is surprisingly little governmental documentation of orders etc which made the Nuremburg trials etc so difficult.

And before anyone gets angry with me, i do believe it happened, that everyone in power knew, and are fully to blame.

[WaldoMcFroog]

You cannot read Mein Kampf and other writings by him and think Hitler does not advocate a genocidal policy against the Jews, whom he blamed for Germany's defeat in WWI. I offer:

MK "If the best men were dying at the front, the least we could do was to wipe out the vermin."

MK "if at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as happened to hundred of thousands of our very best German workers in the field, the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain."

From 'Hitler Speaks': "Those who see in National Socialism nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it. It is more even than a religion: it is the will to create mankind anew."

There are countless quotes which support the fact that Hitler was genocidal, mainly from his own lips. 

 
 
 

 

[Flurfl]

Various people question the death toll quoted by other sources, whether it was 5 million or 8 million it was alot and it did happen. The fact is we'll never know exactly how many died, look at the Tsunami tragedy, when you deal with events on these scales you can never be exact. At least 50 Million people died in WWII mostly civilians and most of those in Eastern Europe.

The Slavic peoples also suffered in the camps, 6 million Poles died in the concentration camps, less than half of these were Polish Jews. Have a look here if you you want to see the facts of the war from various souces (Jewish deaths are athe bottom of the first link)

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2stats.htm 

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Blame

[Philtaz]

It would be hard not to notice what was going on around you (as a German in WWII) when you look at the list of camps under control of the Third Reich:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/cc list.html

[Philtaz]

I'll re-post that link as it says 'Not Found' yet it works fine in my browser.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/cc list.html

[Philtaz]

Sorry, link does not appear to work on the AB.  Never mind, here's a copy/paste from the list:

Germany:
Bergen-Belsen (probably 2 subcamps but location is unknown)
B�rgermoor
Buchenwald ( 174 subcamps)
Dachau (123 subcamps)
Dieburg 
Esterwegen (1 sub-camp)
Flossenburg (94 subcamps)
Gundelsheim 
Neuengamme (96 subcamps)
Papenburg (no sub-camp known)
Ravensbruck (31 subcamps)
Sachsenhausen (44 subcamps)
Sachsenburg
Austria:
Mauthausen (49 sub-camps) 

Poland:
Auschwitz-Birkenau - Oswiecim-Brzezinka (extermination camp - 51 subcamps)
Belzec (extermination camp - 1 subcamp)
Bierznow
Biesiadka
Dzierzazna & Litzmannstadt (These two camps were "Jugenverwahrlage", children camps. Hundreds of children and teenagers considered as not good enough to be "Germanized" were transfered to these places - see our article about the The �Lebensborn � � and later sent to the extermination canters)
Gross-Rosen - Rogoznica (77 subcamp)
Huta-Komarowska
Janowska
Krakow
Kulmhof - Chelmno (extermination camp)
Lublin (prison - no subcamp known)
Lwow (Lemberg)
Czwartaki
Lemberg
Maidanek (extermination camp - 3 subcamps)
Mielec
Pawiak (prison)
Plaszow (work camp but became later subcamp of Maidanek)
Poniatowa
Pustkow (work camp)
Radogosz (prison)
Radom
Schmolz
Schokken
Sobibor (extermination camp)
Stutthof - Sztutowo (40 subcamps)
Treblinka (extermination camp)
Wieliczka
Zabiwoko (work camp)
Zakopane

There were plenty more in Holland, Italy, Belgium, Lithuania, Estonia and Russia.

[Flurfl]

had the same problem philtaz make sure you put a space after the link otherwise AB stuffs it up

[MargeB]

If you click on the link, go to your address bar and remove "

at the end.

[El D]

In actual fact general opinion is that the majority of the German people knew what was going on - as did the Allies and other parties. However there was little they could have done given other factors.

[rpashley100]

What a quality question are you having a bubble bath?.  You believe in Santa Claus dont you?

[hopalong]

You are a sicko

[rock1873]

methinks sunshine is a  David Irving disciple.

My old man was in thearmy when they entered BELSEN !!!

'nough said.

[Kay]

You are one sick individual !!!!!

[alwaysane]

I hope sunshine is posting this because s/he needs to do research on some history paper that asks him/her to find out what happened during the holocaust. Or I really hope sunshine is a very young child.

My grandmother survived WWII. Her sister was taken to the concentration camp while she escaped using her sister's (the one who is taken away to concentration camp) passport. The holocaust museum in Israel and Washington DC will show you exactly what you need to know.