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thanks for the help , but I can see the drain but cant reach it ! its just a drain, no manhole cover on it, we shall have to put bricks round on our side then the overflow will go in their garden not ours, they are nice neighbours and I dont want to fall out with them, I have "traps" on kitchen sink and the bath so that not a lot of hairs escape and what little
fat I use then I always add washing up liquid to and boiling water, we do have dogs and a cat so that could contribute, but I am very careful as we have had problems before.