Irish Passports ?

[mikey4444]

Both my paternal grandparents were born, in what is now Northern Ireland.

Does anybody know for sure if that would entitle me to apply for Irish citizenship, and consequently an Irish passport ?

[mikey4444]

And thanks to Vulcan !

[Old_Geezer]

In your case I think, out of curiosity, I'd e-mail them, were I you, to clarify the situation, and whether when they state Ireland they actually mean Ireland, or Eire. From scanning your link it reads to me that your grandparents had to be Irish citizens, implying citizens of Eire, rather than Irish UK citizens.

[ummmm]

Well a UK passport says....

European union
United kingdom of great Britain and northern Ireland.

[mikey4444]

OG...Slaneys link nails that one very neatly, in stating that its the "Island of Ireland" that counts, not whether my Dad or his parents were citizens of Eire or not.

[Old_Geezer]

Having scanned for "island" I can now see how you might be entitled, from that table. I think the page is confusing and contradictory.

[Peter Pedant]

you hear de Oirish Ambassady say that you were/could be Oirish and den you are asking us ?

den you most be Oirish !

As I have often ( up to a thousand toimes way-hey!) said
common law principles of nationality follow jus solis ( de law of de land) and follow where you were born. To general silence or AB quips of " wot dat den ? If it is juice den I'll have orange juice!" and other screamingly funny one liners. This led to the Dutch threatening to shoot the sons of englishmen born in the Dutch republics in 1900 if they didnt saddle up and join the boers against the Great White Queen in the Boer War. Result: 200 000 refugees on the Natal Border

You could in principle get nationality under parental grounds ( jus gentium) [ no: orange juice still please !] and Eddie has told us how he drove for three days to register his daughter's birth in then Northern Rhodesia at the nearest British Consulate. or didnt - anyway that was what you did in the Good Old Days to ensure nationality if born elsewhere

But it has all all changed by statute - with a stress towards blood and not land ( sort of jus gentium wins) and looks as tho it did in 2005 in Oireland.

so.....
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html

ask the Oirish or an ambassady
and you will see that if you have an Oirish grandparent you can be Oirish as of right ( it aint granted -you demand it and get it)

Yes I am aware of the irony that mostly it is Oirish usually applying to get British nationality

so yes Mikey the irish govt says you can apply and get as of right an Irish passport

(I wonder if Mikey will shrug and say translation please
or say instead Yippee I understand the point of that post ! yeah! )

[mikey4444]

Thanks Ummm, but I think the issue is resolved now.

Sláinte to everybody !

[mikey4444]

PP....I very rarely understand any of your posts but they are welcome all the same !

[ducksie]

Slán would be the word for goodbye used by us in the Republic of Ireland not Éire - Sláinte is to your good health a cúpla focal might get you some way around it

[Old_Geezer]

I think that was one of PP's clearer posts. He agrees with you and gives his reason & history. Perhaps you could try for dual nationality. Unsure what your Welsh neighbours would think of it though.

[Peter Pedant]

o forget this eire bullocks please !

// https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Irish_state//

You dont say - "I am going to Ethpanya" for a booze up" do you?
or
"Are you Polski ? I thought you were Polish ! Where polsky den?"

Dublin called the state Eire from 1959 but then stopped twenty years later. Erse by the way is the English word for the Irish Gaelic language but I have never heard anyone use it ( including the Irish)

and no OG it is not confusing
the URL I have given stipulates

If either of your parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, then you are automatically an Irish citizen, irrespective of your place of birth.

which seems pretty clar to me

[jno]

I think as others have said, it's being born on the island that counts - the Irish will in effect retrospectively grant citizenship to those who were born in Ireland even when it was "British".

[mikey4444]

OG....I think my Welsh neighbours might like the idea.

Its been a long-held view, by some here in Wales, that the Irish are really just Welsh who could swim !

There is strong (ish ) evidence that St Patrick was a Welshman, of Roman lineage.

[Old_Geezer]

Not confusing ? "Citizenship through descent from Irish grandparents
If one of your grandparents is an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, but neither of your parents was born in Ireland, you may become an Irish citizen. You will need to have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register – see below." i.e. it states that one of your grandparents had to be an Irish citizen, which would only be true in the republic.

[ducksie]

It helps clarify which part of the island one is on about, as a citizen of the republic of Ireland, all my post is addressed to that and not Éire, sin scéile eile! I'm going out for some air because I never seen such double standards, brexit, oh I wanna passport for when it suits me to be in the EU.

[Peter Pedant]

umm the wording of a british passport is irrelevant to whether he is Irish according to Irish Law

After the unpleasantness of 1922 the legislators took quite a sensible view ( whilst the Irish were at each others throats now in the Civil War) - and put in undefended border - free movement of people, votes in England for Irish nationals if they were resident - unlike 1947 when members of the British Raj were kicked around by their once imperial masters

and everyone in the then Irish Free State had been born within the then confines of the United Kingdom and were entitled if they wished to claim British nationality

the only thing is Did the Dail enact mirror provisions in the twenties?
It looks from the URL that they did

[gness]

Mikey...that is poppycock....the Irish are not Welsh who could swim.... have you ever seen an Irish man swim?.... ;-)

You get your passport.....it's a great one to have......xxx

[mikey4444]

gness....have a look at this .....I have been to the area that St Patrick may have come from. It has a wonderful Roman Road running through the location, with some of the original marching surface still very much intact and in still in use !

http://www.thevalleys.co.uk/heroes-search/hero.aspx?h=12

[gness]

Thanks, Mikey......that's interesting....quite happy for Patrick to be Welsh.....I know he wasn't Irish...though I have to often take family to climb his mountain in Mayo.....I wait in the pub at the bottom....

But the Irish really are not Welsh swimmers...the Irish aren't great swimmers.....though some Spaniards managed to make it from the wrecked ships to the Mayo coast.....more by luck than by swimming ability....x