Ref'penalty Notice

[davidmarsden]

i received a penalty (littering from vehicle.
apparently someone threw a cigarette butt out of the car (three people in car) .As the driver of the vehicle it is my responsibility. whilst i cannot argue the notice.my question is.
the date of the offence was 14/03/2022 the letter states date of issue/posting is 19/03/2022
that is 15 days after the offence and i thought i should have been notified within 14 days
is this correct or not.

[THECORBYLOON]

Is it not five days?

[Buenchico]

Do you need to correct a typo or is my maths bad? 19 - 14 used to make 5 in my day!

[THECORBYLOON]

Offence was this month on the 14th and notified on the 19th this month.

[ToraToraTora]

it's 5 days.

[THECORBYLOON]

Even if you meant the 29th, if it's outwith London, the limit is thirty-five days.

Article 4(5) of The Littering from Vehicles Outside London (Keepers: Civil Penalties) Regulations 2018, states,

"A penalty notice must not be given—

(a)after the end of the period of 35 days beginning with the day on which the littering offence in question occurred,"

[Buenchico]

You've got the time limit wrong anyway:
" A penalty notice must not be given . . . after the end of the period of 35 days beginning with the day on which the littering offence in question occurred"
[s.5(a), The Littering From Vehicles Outside London (Keepers: Civil Penalties) Regulations 2018]

Failure to pay can get expensive!
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/mount-bures-man-to-pay-almost-1-000-after-dropping-2195406

[THECORBYLOON]

That should be Regulation 4(5)...

[davidmarsden]

my apologies should read 29 th. received it today.
i am 71 years old and disabled its just that i can't really afford £80 for a fine.

[Buenchico]

You're stuck with either paying the fixed penalty notice or going to court. As you seem to have no valid defence though, going to court could get very expensive. (See the bit in my link above about the guy who actually did turn up in court, rather than the lead part about a guy who didn't. He ended up paying £720 in total).

All I can suggest is asking the other people who were in the car (or, at least, the smokers who were among them) to chip in to help you out.

[bobbinwales]

Yes, you probably know whose butt it was ... ask them for help. If it could of been any of them then ask them

[Peter Pedant]

well you are clearly not a smoker so it is down to the other two
( after you have paid)

[davidmarsden]

thanks everyone. i will pay the fine within the fourteen days, and
apologise for wasting everyones time.
regards
david

[William51]

To my little brain power 14 to 19 is five days and not 15.

[scottybass72]

You really should not pay for something you didnt do, its madness, you are just feeding the corporate beast. when you registered your car with the DVLA you gave ownership of it to them , unknowingly, send them the bill, after all you are just the registered keeper(minder)

[Buenchico]

>>> when you registered your car with the DVLA you gave ownership of it to them

Utter nonsense. Just like all other property, ownership of a vehicle rests with the person who bought it, was gifted it or otherwise acquired lawful title to it. That's not necessarily the registered keeper but it's most definitely not DVLA!