Benefits Street.

[anneasquith]

nice to see neighbours helping others in the street :)

[DrFilth]

hc4361 i have to get my class a on a private note as the nhs do not give them out anymore

[ummmm]

What benefits does someone in work get? (I know some are entitled to top ups)

[naomi24]

hc, there isn't anyone cleaning that street - it's a tip - so no jobs are at risk - and if it's cheap labour, fair enough. These people should be given a choice. Work for a wage or if they want to live on benefits, work for those. As for child care, those who work have to sort their lives out and so should these people. Having children should exempt anyone from their responsibilities. No one who is fit to work should get a free ride for life at the expense of the rest of us.

(I didn't suggest sending anyone into people's homes).

[naomi24]

*shouldn't exempt

[DrFilth]

ummmm don't know but when you have to leave and get a small pension you pay tax and they take that payment out of the benefit payment

bloke in the next street has tv and watched this kind of show on benefits went back to the cab office and they worked out he was entitled to 92p a week benefit
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mine was higher but it would cost more than that to claim

[hc4361]

Yes, but a person in a properly paid job can afford to pay for childcare, or struggle to pay for it. You can pay for it when your income is £50 a week.

My streets are cleaned by council employees, or contractors and if they weren't I'd complain. That is one of the things I pay my council tax for. If there's a proper job to be done take somebody off the dole and pay them proper money.

I wouldn't be at all pleased if multi-national, big business companies benefited from the taxpayer by using even one person on benefits instead of paying a proper wage. That is what would happen - why saddle yourself with an employee with a contract, paid holidays, paid sick leave, maternity leave and a proper wage when you can get a doley for nothing?

[naomi24]

Why pay a 'doley' (never heard that term before) for doing nothing?

[hc4361]

There will never be 100% employment, there never has been not even in the boom production years. By creating 'jobs' for the unemployed in return for their benefits you are taking jobs away from employed people, creating more unemployment.

[ummmm]

JSA is something like £60 a week. How many hours a week should they work?

[DrFilth]

hc4261 > I wouldn't be at all pleased if multi-national, big business companies benefited from the taxpayer by using even one person on benefits instead of paying a proper wage. That is what would happen - why saddle yourself with an employee with a contract, paid holidays, paid sick leave, maternity leave and a proper wage when you can get a doley for nothing? <

things like that are going on now

i was contacted by a company from bolton who would be paid a lot more than i could ever claim if the find me a job
after telling them my work record they said they would put me through the test for a new up to date licence and i would be in work within a few weeks, we just need you to come down to bolton and we can sort you out

when i explained that i had no transport and told them my medical problems they agreed it would be no good for me

the firm that would have employed me would also get money from the government

[DrFilth]

Why pay a 'doley' (never heard that term before) for doing nothing?

they have been called a doley for years must be a northern slang word

[naomi24]

//By creating 'jobs' for the unemployed in return for their benefits you are taking jobs away from employed people, creating more unemployment.//

There's a wonky way of thinking! The unemployed, if employed, would be counted among the employed! The unemployed are part of the potential workforce - not a separate species!

[DrFilth]

ummmm a full week
> Thus, workfare, according to Osborne, is "activity that is actually going to help get [jobseekers] ready for the world of work". The idea is that workfare is not so much work as it is free training, an opportunity to acquire the skills and attributes that one needs in order to attract employment. The sanctions enforcing this policy materialise the hard-faced moralism and self-righteous sadism underlying it.

[emmie]

answer this, how did people manage with children before large scale benefits were introduced. They did, and i can testify to that, coming from a working class, and all working whatever the job, family.

[naomi24]

DrFilth, where did you copy and paste that from?

The bottom line is those who are fit to work should not have a free ride for life.

[hc4361]

ummm, their travel costs to and from 'work' would have to be provided on top of the benefits plus any safety clothing and footwear.
And of course they'd have to have time off to search for a 'proper' job because if they cannot prove they are looking for work they lose their benefits.

I suspect it sometimes costs the government less to keep a family on benefits than have the parent in minimum wage employment, when you add on the working tax credit and the childcare tax credits ( £300 a week for two children in childcare tax credit alone and a working family can claim both).

[hc4361]

naomi, they wouldn't be employed. They'd be unemployed claiming their £50 a week paid for by the government, not the 'employer'.

[naomi24]

They would be employed - by the government. No work - no wages.

[hc4361]

But then the people who were doing those jobs for a proper salary would be out of a job. Don't you get it?

[DrFilth]

naomi will post a link in a minute just starting a new thread in news

you will love it