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Brendan Cole Is Sacked From Strictly
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Naomi - // If they're employing a newcomer to replace him, they're getting rid of him. In other words he's been sacked. //
To say 'in other words' does not make your statement factual.
I could say, "I believe that the earth is not round, in other words, the earth is flat" - but that does not turn a statement that is not accurate into a statement that is accurate.
There is a perfectly obvious and clear distinction between an employer exercising their option not to renew an employee's contract when it has come to an end, and sacking that employee, which means terminating an existing contract before its completion.
Anton's situation appears to be the first of these opinions, and he can be angry, and refer to the situation as 'being sacked' but that does not make it an accurate assessment of the facts.
To say 'in other words' does not make your statement factual.
I could say, "I believe that the earth is not round, in other words, the earth is flat" - but that does not turn a statement that is not accurate into a statement that is accurate.
There is a perfectly obvious and clear distinction between an employer exercising their option not to renew an employee's contract when it has come to an end, and sacking that employee, which means terminating an existing contract before its completion.
Anton's situation appears to be the first of these opinions, and he can be angry, and refer to the situation as 'being sacked' but that does not make it an accurate assessment of the facts.
Danny - // he emotional star, who famously rowed with new head judge, Shirley Ballas, during the last series, as well as Bruno Tonioli, talked about his shock sacking on rival channel, ITV, and said: 'This is hard to talk about. The BBC haven’t renewed my contract.'
He added: 'They have made an editorial decision not to have me back on the show. I have had 15 incredible series on the show, they are a great team.
'I am very disappointed. It’s an editorial decision. I will never know the ins and outs.'
That's from your link.
The important bit is - "The BBC haven’t renewed my contract."
He added: 'They have made an editorial decision not to have me back on the show. I have had 15 incredible series on the show, they are a great team.
'I am very disappointed. It’s an editorial decision. I will never know the ins and outs.'
That's from your link.
The important bit is - "The BBC haven’t renewed my contract."
Danny - // Ok. explain this then:-
Furious Strictly producers 'sacked fiery Brendan Cole after 13 years and 15 series on the show for creating negative press and for his on-air outbursts,' saying that 'no one is bigger than the show', sources told MailOnline on Tuesday. //
No problem.
For a newspaper - saying 'Brendan Cole - Strictly Contract Not Renewed ...' is not a catchy headline, which is everything in reporting.
Saying 'Brendan Cole ' Sacked From Strictly Come Dancing ...' is.
As an editor - which one would you go with?
OK, so we're pursuing the 'sacked' angle, but the problem, is, he hasn't been sacked, his contract has not been renewed, which, will being factually accurate, is not something we can hang a story on, and run with outrage, weeping, et cetera et cetera.
But if we say he has been 'sacked', which is not true, we are open to legal action from the BBC, because we have represented their action untruthfully, which is illegal.
No problem, we can refer to 'sources' - a get-out as old as newspapers themselves.
A paper can say something came from 'a source', such as 'Brendan Cole was sacked ...' and it is perfectly legal because no newspaper can be compelled to reveal its sources without a court demand, and let's face it, this is not a matter of national security!
So the Mail gets to say that Brendan was 'sacked' - even though he wasn't.
Furious Strictly producers 'sacked fiery Brendan Cole after 13 years and 15 series on the show for creating negative press and for his on-air outbursts,' saying that 'no one is bigger than the show', sources told MailOnline on Tuesday. //
No problem.
For a newspaper - saying 'Brendan Cole - Strictly Contract Not Renewed ...' is not a catchy headline, which is everything in reporting.
Saying 'Brendan Cole ' Sacked From Strictly Come Dancing ...' is.
As an editor - which one would you go with?
OK, so we're pursuing the 'sacked' angle, but the problem, is, he hasn't been sacked, his contract has not been renewed, which, will being factually accurate, is not something we can hang a story on, and run with outrage, weeping, et cetera et cetera.
But if we say he has been 'sacked', which is not true, we are open to legal action from the BBC, because we have represented their action untruthfully, which is illegal.
No problem, we can refer to 'sources' - a get-out as old as newspapers themselves.
A paper can say something came from 'a source', such as 'Brendan Cole was sacked ...' and it is perfectly legal because no newspaper can be compelled to reveal its sources without a court demand, and let's face it, this is not a matter of national security!
So the Mail gets to say that Brendan was 'sacked' - even though he wasn't.
Danny - // Andy, call it what you will, he was sacked, end of. //
It's not a matter of 'what I will' - it's a matter of fact.
The fact is, Mr Cole is just as gone from the show if he was sacked, which he was not, or if his contract was not renewed, which it was not.
I am merely pointing out the media manipulation at play here, which means the difference between a two-line mention on page thirty-two, and Mr Cole weeping on national television.
It's not a matter of 'what I will' - it's a matter of fact.
The fact is, Mr Cole is just as gone from the show if he was sacked, which he was not, or if his contract was not renewed, which it was not.
I am merely pointing out the media manipulation at play here, which means the difference between a two-line mention on page thirty-two, and Mr Cole weeping on national television.
He's self employed on a yearly contract - the contract is not renewed therefore he is surplus to requirements.
Had they turned round half way through the series and told him we no longer want you your out - that is sacking him as its breaking the terms of the contract!
I really don't see what is so difficult to understand?
Had they turned round half way through the series and told him we no longer want you your out - that is sacking him as its breaking the terms of the contract!
I really don't see what is so difficult to understand?
danny - // Islay, there are many reasons for a contract not being renewed, one of which is the performer being sacked. //
The term 'sacked' has a specific meaning - it means that an employee was dismissed from his or her post for a reason, not necessarily advised.
An absence of contract renewal is completely different - it means that the employee is employed on a specific contract for a specified period of time.
When that time expires, the employee has the right not to renew the contract, and is under no obligation to do so, or to offer reasons.
Similarly, the employer is under no obligation to renew the contract, and is not obliged to give reasons.
Contracts like this are a standard method of employment throughout the television industry.
If you want to believe that Mr Cole has been dismissed, then there is nothing I, or anyone else can say to alter your perspective, but that does not mean that your assessment is correct, for reasons I have exhaustively explained.
The term 'sacked' has a specific meaning - it means that an employee was dismissed from his or her post for a reason, not necessarily advised.
An absence of contract renewal is completely different - it means that the employee is employed on a specific contract for a specified period of time.
When that time expires, the employee has the right not to renew the contract, and is under no obligation to do so, or to offer reasons.
Similarly, the employer is under no obligation to renew the contract, and is not obliged to give reasons.
Contracts like this are a standard method of employment throughout the television industry.
If you want to believe that Mr Cole has been dismissed, then there is nothing I, or anyone else can say to alter your perspective, but that does not mean that your assessment is correct, for reasons I have exhaustively explained.
It is more about the implication than the literal meaning of the word. If they didn’t renew his contract because they had found someone better say, or because they thought him too old, then he wouldn’t be considered ‘sacked’. But if they didn’t renew his contract because of something he did, then he would be considered sacked.
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