The Destruction Of T V By T R O B......

[ToraToraTora]

just watch the OFAH episode..."Who's a pretty Boy" can someone tell me why this was cut out? Right at the start Del walks into the Nags head and sees Ranjet, an indian, he says: " Saw your Mrs in the market, she's got a nasty spot on her forehead!" - they both burst into laughter. Whole line cut, why? This madness is destroying the classics.

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TTT

"well there is very little "amazing new music"

"¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

Regarding Ron Atkinson - a very large number of black people I know found that language offensive. Same way that if he were the manager of a woman's team and called a defender a "stupid menstruating c-word".

Even if the person he was talking to said she felt sorry for the hear he was getting, women who have had work with sexist mysoginists would feel fury if the FA appeared to shrug it off.

It absolutely isn't only the made-up word you used.

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naomi24

Are you really judging comedy by a single joke at the Edinburgh Fringe?

I think it's better to judge it by a range of comedians - stand ups as diverse (and brilliant) as Wanda Sykes, Anthony Jeselnik (Jimmy Carr but talented), Rhys Davidson, Sarah Millican (goddess), Dean Cole, Reginald D. Hunter, Nimbuses Gaffigan

Just looking at the names above - my personal favourites...most of them could never have worked in the 80s. Audiences would've had a fit (apart from Jim Gaffigan who doesn't swear or do 'blue' material).

I've always liked stand-up and since I was young it's gone from strength to strength...

[sp1814]

Don't know what Autocorrect was up to but Nimbuses should have been Jim!

[ToraToraTora]

SP, did you read this article from Naomi earlier?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/23605393/edinburgh-fringe-awful-joke-rubbish-festival/
I think that sums it up pretty well.

[naomi24]

SP, //Are you really judging comedy by a single joke at the Edinburgh Fringe? //

Not me. Those in the know have done the judging.

[ToraToraTora]

sp: "Just looking at the names above - my personal favourites...most of them could never have worked in the 80s. Audiences would've had a fit (apart from Jim Gaffigan who doesn't swear or do 'blue' material)." - you have a strange recollection of the 80s, they'd have been fine. Probably not in the 70s where they actually told jokes rather than relate everyday life.

[andy-hughes]

OG at 09.45 - Adding insult to injury by suggesting that someone taking offence at being mocked is in fact the problem because they lack a sense of humour, is really not a good way to tackle the issue.

[vulcan42]

I think a lot of modern humour wouldn't have worked in the eighties because they wouldn't have been considered funny. The problem today is person 1 likes joke A and person 2 likes joke B, but instead of just enjoying the jokes they do like, they're trying to get the other persons jokes banned.

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TTT

Have you heard Anthony Jeselnik's bit about his dead niece or...actually the filter on this site won't allow me to write it. Just watch Fire in the Maternity Hospital on Netflix. You'll understand.

Also - and this is key...this has ALWAYS gone on.

Remember the furore surrounding the release of Life of Brian? Church leaders (and christians) up and down the country clamoured for it to be banned - even picketing cinemas showing it.

Remember the episode of Star Trek when Kirk kissed Uhuru? Still hasn't been shown in parts of the US.

I think we're misremembering the past - there were plenty of shows that caused public outcry...Mary Whitehouse had plenty of followers in the 70s.

[barry1010]

You've complained here several times about the cuts made to OFAH, yet you still insist on watching it on TV when you have every episode on tape or DVD to watch at home. Why do you keep subjecting yourself to the torment?
Or do you just enjoy finding yet another thing to complain about?
Have you tried watching some up to date sitcoms?

[Zacs-Master]

Ah, so the defence of ignorance is that the joke was really on Delboy and/or, no one was offended it’s just people staring things up. Yeah, makes sense (rolling eyes emoji).

[ToraToraTora]

sp: "Remember the episode of Star Trek when Kirk kissed Uhuru? Still hasn't been shown in parts of the US. " - remember the episode when he kissed Uhura! That was one of a couple of episodes that were originally not shown in UK. Anyway you are correct there has always been protests etc about certain things but not to the extent it is today. All this cancel culture it's getting like the z-eye's in white christmas (black mirror)

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vulcan42

"I think a lot of modern humour wouldn't have worked in the eighties because they wouldn't have been considered funny."

I agree but that's because humour has developed.

Compare The Thick of It to Yes Minister, or (non-comedy but relevant) Tales of the Unexpected to Black Mirror.

What we have now, and not to be insulting to older audiences - is television that's a lot less 'broad'.

Take for instance Are You Being Served. Hilarious - but effectively a pantomime with copious amounts of mugging.

The only thing we have now that's anything like that is Mrs Brown's Boys or perhaps Citizen Khan. That kind of broad comedy has pretty much had its day.

Also - just about every British situation comedy on telly nowadays doesn't have a laughter track. That's something else that viewer back in the 80s would find bizarre.

[ToraToraTora]

10:24, because as I said above that's not the point, I'm trying to preserve culture here. Slashing bits out of the classics is vandalism and I am protesting. Yes I can watch my DVDs but that's not the point.

[barry1010]

Protesting here isn't going to do much good, TTT. Try protesting to the broadcasters. Try and get David Jason and Nicholas Lyndhurst on board.
Lyndhurst is in a Frasier reboot - I'm looking forward to that

[sp1814]

"there has always been protests etc about certain things but not to the extent it is today".

Are you talking about television or broadening the scope to encompass attitudes in general.

Probably right...people in the past were much less likely to stand up and say they don't find something acceptable.

I think with television comedies we need to remember the past is anther country - they do things differently there. The issue is when the past crops up in the present.

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barry1010

I think Frasier is one of the greatest comedies of all time and I've seen every single episode.

Pure gold.

However they should absolutely NOT revive it.

I'm gutted they are.

[Zacs-Master]

And in a present where those not stuck in a time warp appreciate that such utterances can actually be found offensive.

[douglas9401]

No mention of the green, blue or yellow conquests of Kirk.

Typical!

[ToraToraTora]

good point doug, Kirk has had few Orion birds in his time!