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15:28 Tue 14th May 2024
And taking passenger(s) off a flight involves unloading and re-loading ALL the baggage. The unboarded passenger has to identify & reclaim theirs and the rest of the passengers must confirm which bags are theirs (no "unaccompanied" luggage is allowed) , making the delay even longer.
We had this flying back from Crete when a single passenger whose bag had been checked & loaded decided not to board the plane 'cos he couldn't bear to leave his girlfriend!
TTT - The concept of drinking in airports is stupid, and designed purely to make profits.
Why don't we have bars in A & E departments for non-patients to pass the time?
It's entirely to make money, nothing more.
A bar in an airport is like a shoe shop in a theatre.
Yes it's convenient, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea because a few people think it is.
The problems outweigh the 'convenience'.
If you want to drink, go to a pub.
If you want to travel on a plane, go to an airport.
There is no reason, beyond profit, why you should need to drink alcohol while you wait to get on a plane.
But lots of good reasons why you should not be able to - and this is just one more of them.
Ask pilots and cabin crew if they would shut airport bars, I think most would agree with me.
I dont think it's just a few who like to have bars in airports, AH, and I don't think crews would necessarily agree with you. When a passenger is disruptive it's quite frightening - been there - but considering the number of flights daily worldwide, it's rare. Closing airport bars would be an overkill.
My late sister in law was a B.A. ground stewardess at LHR and part of her duties was checking boarding cards and passports at the departure gate.She told me they had codes for situations such as this and would be passed on to the flight crew just prior to boarding so the flight crew knew the seat numbers of the likely troublesome ones. The aircraft should never of got to a stage where the aircraft was on the tarmac waiting for a slot with this mob on board.Easyjet themselves are culpable. I recall a drunken women in the departure lounge at Pearson International. No way were the mounties going to let her any were near the boarding gate.
Why should cabin crew and passengers but put at risk of antisocial and potentially safety threatening situations, just because airports want to profit from bored passengers drinking too much?
There is no earthly reason why passengers can't simply wait for flights, delayed or not, without the need to drink alcohol.
People need to behave like adults and treat airline travel like the serious business it is, not as the last bit of a bender in the pub.
15:04 I can't help feel that answer is based on your well known hatred of alcohol. I hold my position, we all should not suffer for a few idiots. My holiday starts when I get to the airport, few sherbets while waiting couple on the plane. Why should I have to sit their sour faced because of a few numpties who can't hold their drink?
I agree TTT. This incident could have been averted by Easyjet ground staff and nipped in the bud at the departure gate. As I wrote earlier my flight could easily have been disrupted at Pearson but ground staff and Mounties ensure it just doesn't happen. Might as well close the umpteen bars on a cruise liner as well. That would be fun between port arrivals.
TTT - It has nothing to do with my dislike ('hatred' is a bit strong!) of alcohol which is baded entirely on what effects it has on people, andvhete this is another example.
Why, on the other hand, can't you wait for your plane without the need to have a drink?
I repeat, passenger and crew safety trumps the notion that a holiday needs to start with alcohol.
Alcohol is not essential to air travel, safety is, so why not ditch one to improve the other.
retrocop - // Might as well close the umpteen bars on a cruise liner as well. That would be fun between port arrivals. //
That's bizarre reaching for a comparison, even for you.
Do you seriously think you can compare a few hundred people and maybe a dozen crew on a tube in the air, where air pressure exacerbates the effect of alcohol.
With what is effectively a sixteen storey floating hotel with six thousand people and four thousand crew that disembarkes its passengers at around nine in the morning after a good night's sleep, where the bars are not open until mid-morning at the earliest.
If you think those two equate in the slightest, then clearly you are not a regular traveller on either.
AH: "It's entirely to make money, nothing more." - is it not to also provide a service? like the book shop? etcby your logic there would be nothing to buy at an airport, heaven forfend a business makes money
"A bar in an airport is like a shoe shop in a theatre." - or indeed a bar in a theatre or a sports stadium? In AH world everything has only it's primary purpose. Don't go and watch a show and expect to get a drink, someone might make some money and the punter might get a more pleasurable experience. Ditto sports events.
"Yes it's convenient, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea because a few people think it is." - It's not a few people though is it? It's most of them.
"The problems outweigh the 'convenience'." - millions fly, these incidents are rare we shold not punich the vast majority for a few morons.
TTT - //
AH: "It's entirely to make money, nothing more." - is it not to also provide a service? like the book shop? etcby your logic there would be nothing to buy at an airport, heaven forfend a business makes money //
That's not logical at all.
Buying a book is never going to make any passenger prone to anti-social, distruptive or dangerous behaviour on a plane.
"A bar in an airport is like a shoe shop in a theatre." - or indeed a bar in a theatre or a sports stadium? //
No-one goes from a bar in a theatre or a sports stadium, and gets on a plane. Again your logic is baseless.
//In AH world everything has only it's primary purpose. Don't go and watch a show and expect to get a drink, someone might make some money and the punter might get a more pleasurable experience. Ditto sports events. //
Again - buying a drink at a show or a sports event is not going to compromise the safety of an entire airplane of passengers, or anyone it happens to crash land on.
//"Yes it's convenient, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea because a few people think it is." - It's not a few people though is it? It's most of them. //
You could apply that to any safety-based argument.
Millions of car drivers are firmly convinced that they can drive safely with varying amounts of alcohol in their systems.
But we don't trust them to know those limits, so they are limited by law, and prosecuted for going above those limits.
// The problems outweigh the 'convenience'." - millions fly, these incidents are rare we shold not punich the vast majority for a few morons. //
Millions of people drink and drive, but we don't abandon punishments because only a relative few of them get caught.
The idea that pleasure for a large group of people sould outweigh the safety for all of them is simply not a backable argument.
Millions of people like driving their cars fast, but they are not allowed to, for the safety of everyone.
I believe that airline travel in comfort and safety is compromised by people drinking alcohol before boarding, and on board, and it should not be allowed.
The fact that alcohol-fueled anti-social behaviour can result in delays - as in the instance we are discussing - at best, and catastrophic potentially fatal repercussions at worst, means it should not be part of the airline travelling experience.
I understand we differ on this, we have debated it before, but simply trying to label me as a kill joy is to miss the point I am making.
Safety comes first, and if that means that grown-ups have to avoid drinking for a few hours in the day, then I believe that is a price worth paying.
TTT - // Question Author
Can you hear yourself Andy? I know you have a pathalogical hatred of alcohol, fair enough, I have a pathalogical hatred of smoking but I accept others do it. //
Please do not put words in my mouth, or attribute attitudes to me that I do not possess.
I pointed out earlier that I do have a 'pathological hatred' of alcohol, or indeed anything else, I am rather more rational than that.
You want to stop all booze outlets in airports and presumably on the plane because of a few eejits. Think it through. //
No, I want to stop them because they compromise safety in a mode of transport where a disaster could be utterly catastrophic, with multiple fatalities.
I have thought it through - I never post without doing so.
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