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Untitled | 11:49 Tue 17th Dec 2024 | News
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LBC is reporting that hundreds of people who have successfully claimed asylum in the UK are attempting to flee the country because they have lost their right to work and cannot support themselves

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/asylum-seekers-escape-uk/

i suppose this will make some of you quite happy? 

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another problem the report highlights is that there is no legal way to return failed asylum seekers to countries such as Sudan or Afghanistan with whom the UK has no returns agreement...

 

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Aram Rawf, himself a former refugee who fled the Middle East, said: “There’s no safe, legal route for them simply to leave this country if the Government rejects their claims.

“I’ve seen people who lost a leg falling under the tyre of a lorry.

“I knew one guy who’d tried to leave on a lorry six times.//

we don't often hear this aspect of the migration issue covered. 

If word spreads perhaps it will deter some of the people currently taking to small boats to cross the channel.

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you must be pleased then naomi

If people want to go I'm happy for them to go.  

Surely no problems with Afghanistan etc these days now the the Russians Americans and us have civilised them and all is rosy.

Excellent.

Great news, anything which makes the NHS waiting lists go down has got to be welcome news.  It's just a shame it's only hundreds.

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It is likely to be more than that Spungle at least according to LBC. 

i think it is worth repeating that the people featured in this report are people whose asylum claims were found to be valid and were working until they had their permission to work remove... if they fled a country that the UK has no return agreement with then there is no legal way to return them and so they were left with no legal path out of the country and no legal way of working. 

So they were economic migrants and have now moved on.  Who are we to stand in their way?!

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i don't think you understand what an economic migrant is

The government needs to create a mechanism whereby those wishing to return home are assisted in doing so.

"i don't think you understand what an economic migrant is"  Really?  Do enlighten me.  

 

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well the people mentioned in my link are people who successfully applied for refugee status - i.e. they were demonstrably fleeing for their own safety. 
 

an economic migrant is someone who migrates legally or otherwise in order to find more profitable work

"i suppose this will make some of you quite happy? " - delighted, how about you?

delighted

“i think it is worth repeating that the people featured in this report are people whose asylum claims were found to be valid and were working until they had their permission to work remove...”

No they’re not:

 "Amanje said he was given humanitarian protection - which is like refugee status - after fleeing his homeland, but when this status expired a year ago, he lost his right to work."

Being given humanitarian protection is not the same as having an asylum claim accepted. Asylum status does not "expire".

“…if they fled a country that the UK has no return agreement with then there is no legal way to return them and so they were left with no legal path out of the country and no legal way of working.”

They should have thought about that before setting off for here. They fled France where they were safe. 

This country has no facilities to handle the large numbers of people who are arriving uninvited and even fewer to cater for those who are given permission to come. It also has no facilities to promptly handle claims of asylum from any of them.

The sooner this is realised the better it will be for all concerned, not least those setting out in unsuitable craft to cross the Channel but also for the people here who have to deal with them.

I will also take issue with a couple of points from the report:

"Local Labour MP Mike Tapp also said that Brexit meant the Government was struggling to deport failed asylum seekers to Europe."

He said: “The fact we don’t have the Dublin agreement makes this really tough."

If Mr Tapp researched the Dublin Agreement before making such a remark he would know that it was of absolutely no benefit to the UK whatsoever. Many people believe it is simply a matter of returning migrants who have passed through other EU countries to those countries if they arrive here.

I don't know if Mr Tapp believes this but he almost certainly would like everybody else to. But nothing could be further from the truth for it also provides for migrants to be transferred from other EU countries to the UK. I Have provided these figures before on here but I’ll do so again. In 2016, under Dublin 362 migrants were transferred out of the UK to other EU countries whilst 558 were transferred in the opposite direction.  In 2017 the figures were 314 out and 461 in. In 2018 the numbers were 1,215 in and 209 out (so an influx six times as high as the loss).

Even if the UK had remained in the EU, it is highly likely it would have derogated from the Dublin Agreement when it came up for review. For Mr Tapp to suggest that lack of the Dublin Agreement makes things tough is taking the electorate for fools because far too many people were eligible to be transferred here under its provisions who, without it, would probably not have been eligible to arrive.

Mr Tapp also said this:

“The previous Government knew what was being signed up to (with Brexit) but they didn’t put in place a system to ensure we have secure borders. That was utter incompetence.”

This country has secure borders. It simply chooses not to enforce them for those arriving in rubber boats. These people are not arriving in a clandestine fashion at a deserted beach in the small hours. They are being assisted ashore by the authorities here, “processed” (whatever cursory checks that involves) through a major port and then almost immediately provided with immediate and agreeable hotel accommodation and food, healthcare and pocket money.

To secure against that, far from being assisted, they should be returned forthwith whence they came. No government will do that. The new government could do so immediately if it was so minded. But it isn’t and is never likely to be. It is disingenuous of Mr Tapp to suggest that a Labour government would treat this problem any differently to the previous Tory one. They’ve had five months to do so and have done nothing.

Once again New Judge educates the uneducated on here.

Thank you, and very well presented New Judge.

They could be given one of the many dinghies we have in store & towed out beyond territorial limits.

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