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Was it necessary to show that kiss between Gay ( ups missed out the R ) and Paul in Emmerdale at 7-15pm.
Some viewers do not wish to see this, especially when there are very young children present, who cannot understand why two men are kissing each other in such a way.
What homosexuals get up to in private is their own affair, but do we need such scenes thrust into our faces on TV.
Why wasn't a warning given out that this Soap contains scenes likely to offend the viewer?
Some viewers do not wish to see this, especially when there are very young children present, who cannot understand why two men are kissing each other in such a way.
What homosexuals get up to in private is their own affair, but do we need such scenes thrust into our faces on TV.
Why wasn't a warning given out that this Soap contains scenes likely to offend the viewer?
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Exactly, Ethel...............my parents have just celebrated 45 years of padlock.
None of my acquaintances has a gay parent, although there seem to be quite a lot of uncles or aunties who are/ought to be.........
And some of us gay parents have heterosexual children, too..........
It's a funny old world................:o)
None of my acquaintances has a gay parent, although there seem to be quite a lot of uncles or aunties who are/ought to be.........
And some of us gay parents have heterosexual children, too..........
It's a funny old world................:o)
It should not matter in this day in age like Ethel said young kids would not batter an eye lid!! children should be taught that love is love!! Not who loves who or when a man loves a woman e t c but simply humans love very much!!! When somone loves another they show effection through a kiss and hugging!!!! Gender should not come into it in this day n age!"!
I am very suprised by your answer Ethel, it is not the kind of answer I would have expected from you, and I thought you were rather rude to suggest that the children could be programmed by bigoted, prejudiced elders.
My point is that some children, who perhaps had never seen two adult males taking part in what can only be discribed as a very passionate kiss, may be inclined to ask questions that some adults may not be prepared at their young age to explain about homosexuality.
Perhaps you are the type of person that wish to see widescale promoting of homosexuality in our schools. Well I don't, this does not make me a bigot. Are we not allowed to have our own views on homosexuality, without the Liberal Left trying to label us biggots?
Good gracious left to the likes of the Gay Lobby, it will soon be compulsory to be Gay.
My point is that some children, who perhaps had never seen two adult males taking part in what can only be discribed as a very passionate kiss, may be inclined to ask questions that some adults may not be prepared at their young age to explain about homosexuality.
Perhaps you are the type of person that wish to see widescale promoting of homosexuality in our schools. Well I don't, this does not make me a bigot. Are we not allowed to have our own views on homosexuality, without the Liberal Left trying to label us biggots?
Good gracious left to the likes of the Gay Lobby, it will soon be compulsory to be Gay.
Very young children would not be surprised by two people kissing - after all, everything they see is new to them.
A good example is dirt. Very young children will investigate the inside of their nappies and put their fingers in their mouth. They will eat worms and anything else they come across. They only learn to feel revulsion at these acts because of the parents' reactions.
A young child has no way of knowing that anything is wrong, different, abnormal, shocking unless they are told either verbally or by reactions of those around them.
I hold by what I said - young children would only be distressed by two adults kissing on tv if they have been taught to do so. It was not my intention to be rude to any individual, however.
I remember when homosexuality was illegal. I have personal experience of a family member in a very unhappy marriage because she had married a man who was firmly in the closet. A lovely man trying to do the right thing, very sad all round. By the time it was out in the open, it was far too late for either of them to find happiness with other partners, or have children.
Far far better for people able to be themselves.
A good example is dirt. Very young children will investigate the inside of their nappies and put their fingers in their mouth. They will eat worms and anything else they come across. They only learn to feel revulsion at these acts because of the parents' reactions.
A young child has no way of knowing that anything is wrong, different, abnormal, shocking unless they are told either verbally or by reactions of those around them.
I hold by what I said - young children would only be distressed by two adults kissing on tv if they have been taught to do so. It was not my intention to be rude to any individual, however.
I remember when homosexuality was illegal. I have personal experience of a family member in a very unhappy marriage because she had married a man who was firmly in the closet. A lovely man trying to do the right thing, very sad all round. By the time it was out in the open, it was far too late for either of them to find happiness with other partners, or have children.
Far far better for people able to be themselves.
Cont...
There are more causes to be outraged at - the current drug culture, the crime rate, binge drinking....... all of which do harm to society as a whole. The 6% or so of the population that is homosexual does not affect me one jot. The fact of their homosexuality does not harm me, frighten me or cost me anything in any way.
People do not choose their sexuality - it is not a personal choice. It is the way we are born and knowing about homosexuality or seeing two males kissing will not influence a person's sexual inclinations.
You assume that I am a white heterosexual woman - you don't know that. All you know for sure is that I am a retired woman. Now you are assuming I wish to promote homosexuality. I don't believe it can be promoted in the sense you mean. And to say it will be compulsory is a nonsense.
Maybe I don't have a problem with homosexuals because I have had many homosexual friends and acquaintances. I have also known many that I don't particularly like - the same as heterosexuals.
There are many countries where homosexuality is illegal, but I wouldn't want to live in any of them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_law s_of_the_world
There are more causes to be outraged at - the current drug culture, the crime rate, binge drinking....... all of which do harm to society as a whole. The 6% or so of the population that is homosexual does not affect me one jot. The fact of their homosexuality does not harm me, frighten me or cost me anything in any way.
People do not choose their sexuality - it is not a personal choice. It is the way we are born and knowing about homosexuality or seeing two males kissing will not influence a person's sexual inclinations.
You assume that I am a white heterosexual woman - you don't know that. All you know for sure is that I am a retired woman. Now you are assuming I wish to promote homosexuality. I don't believe it can be promoted in the sense you mean. And to say it will be compulsory is a nonsense.
Maybe I don't have a problem with homosexuals because I have had many homosexual friends and acquaintances. I have also known many that I don't particularly like - the same as heterosexuals.
There are many countries where homosexuality is illegal, but I wouldn't want to live in any of them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_law s_of_the_world
Well Ethel it would seem that I have touched a raw nerve with you over the subject. But please allow me to put this into some form of prospective?
1/ When I say young children I do not mean infants, as you obviously assume. But even so I do not know of any child who is allowed to investigate its nappies and then put it's fingers in its mouth, or to eat worms and anything else it comes across. But if they were these would be infants/babies who since they can only talk gibberish, would not be particularly interested in anything, let alone two males kissing. The children I refer to be those that are young children who would run a mile rubbing their lips and cheeks, if a female, other than their mother were to kiss them. So imagine what disgust they would find in two males kissing. These revulsions are not taught by adults, it is all part of growing up.
2/ You say you remember when homosexuality was illegal. Why do you think that for centuries it was illegal until we reached this libertarian age, who know in the future things that are unlawful and repugnant to us now, will no longer be so. Just because the law is more relaxed, does not suddenly make them acceptable.
3/ You say you have a personal experience of a family member, and it was very sad all round. Well maybe, but that was personal to you Ethel, so please don't expect everyone to have the same views as yourself.
4/ You also state that their homosexuality does not cost you anything in any way. I am afraid it does, not only you but also all taxpayers. Not directly I grant you but it does indirectly through the taxes we pay. It costs the NHS (this is another subject, but due to PC we cannot go there) It costs because of all the associations, organisations and authorities set up especially for the Gay community i.e. The Gay Police Authority
To be continued -
1/ When I say young children I do not mean infants, as you obviously assume. But even so I do not know of any child who is allowed to investigate its nappies and then put it's fingers in its mouth, or to eat worms and anything else it comes across. But if they were these would be infants/babies who since they can only talk gibberish, would not be particularly interested in anything, let alone two males kissing. The children I refer to be those that are young children who would run a mile rubbing their lips and cheeks, if a female, other than their mother were to kiss them. So imagine what disgust they would find in two males kissing. These revulsions are not taught by adults, it is all part of growing up.
2/ You say you remember when homosexuality was illegal. Why do you think that for centuries it was illegal until we reached this libertarian age, who know in the future things that are unlawful and repugnant to us now, will no longer be so. Just because the law is more relaxed, does not suddenly make them acceptable.
3/ You say you have a personal experience of a family member, and it was very sad all round. Well maybe, but that was personal to you Ethel, so please don't expect everyone to have the same views as yourself.
4/ You also state that their homosexuality does not cost you anything in any way. I am afraid it does, not only you but also all taxpayers. Not directly I grant you but it does indirectly through the taxes we pay. It costs the NHS (this is another subject, but due to PC we cannot go there) It costs because of all the associations, organisations and authorities set up especially for the Gay community i.e. The Gay Police Authority
To be continued -
5/ You state that people do not choose their sexuality - it is not a personal choice.
Once again I have to disagree, for instance it can be a personal choice just as other diversions from the normal sex act.
You further state that seeing two males kissing will not influence a person's sexual inclinations.
Not so, it is a known fact that amongst some adolescence there can be much experimenting in sexual matters.
6/ You say that I assume that you are a white heterosexual woman, which I have never assumed. You also say that I know for sure that you are a retired woman, this again is incorrect. All I know that from your pseudonym Ethel it can be, (but not certain), a bit of a give away i.e. White Mature female, but no clue to sexual preferences.
7/ regarding my remark that "soon it will be compulsory to be gay". Surely to anyone with any sense of humour, they could see that this was a flippant remark, and not to be taken seriously. But apparently not in your case Ethel.
In conclusion I trust we will have to agree to disagree in this case, but before I draw a line under this, can you please answer me this one question?
Why do homosexuals find the need to constantly to parade their sexuality when heterosexuals do not?
Once again I have to disagree, for instance it can be a personal choice just as other diversions from the normal sex act.
You further state that seeing two males kissing will not influence a person's sexual inclinations.
Not so, it is a known fact that amongst some adolescence there can be much experimenting in sexual matters.
6/ You say that I assume that you are a white heterosexual woman, which I have never assumed. You also say that I know for sure that you are a retired woman, this again is incorrect. All I know that from your pseudonym Ethel it can be, (but not certain), a bit of a give away i.e. White Mature female, but no clue to sexual preferences.
7/ regarding my remark that "soon it will be compulsory to be gay". Surely to anyone with any sense of humour, they could see that this was a flippant remark, and not to be taken seriously. But apparently not in your case Ethel.
In conclusion I trust we will have to agree to disagree in this case, but before I draw a line under this, can you please answer me this one question?
Why do homosexuals find the need to constantly to parade their sexuality when heterosexuals do not?
So many words, AOG.............so little original or insightful content.........
1. You have explained the revulsion exhibited by these children (why is it always 'the children' ?) at the thought of being kissed by ANYONE......................I fail to be able to cross the chasm of reasoning by which you reach the conclusion that they will be 'disgusted' by the sight of two men kissing.................I'm sure that ALL kissing is met by a hearty 'yeeeeuuck'.
2. At least the law now is no longer used to punish people in what is a victimless crime. Because something is repugnant (your word) that doesn't actually make it illegal.
3. People who do actually have 'personal' experience of homosexuality are a lot less frightened by it than people who don't................and are therefore likely to have a more balanced point of view.
4. Naturally, someone using statements as enlightened as yours wouldn't miss an opportunity to slip in a snide comment to HIV/AIDS................especially when it is the incidence of heterosexual transmission which is exploding in UK.
There is NO SUCH THING as the Gay Police Authority.
5. I'd like to see the authority upon which you base the particular assertion that being gay can be an assumed lifestyle, AOG. I think, no, I KNOW you are wrong on this point; and once more you are equating the entirity of a gay life with a single (not exclusively gay) sex-act...............
There are brave souls who are completely heterosexual men, now, who when given enough wine, or assurances of confidentiality, will admit to having had a teenage fumble with another boy................it is experimentation, nothing more and no weight more than that should be given to it !
cont
1. You have explained the revulsion exhibited by these children (why is it always 'the children' ?) at the thought of being kissed by ANYONE......................I fail to be able to cross the chasm of reasoning by which you reach the conclusion that they will be 'disgusted' by the sight of two men kissing.................I'm sure that ALL kissing is met by a hearty 'yeeeeuuck'.
2. At least the law now is no longer used to punish people in what is a victimless crime. Because something is repugnant (your word) that doesn't actually make it illegal.
3. People who do actually have 'personal' experience of homosexuality are a lot less frightened by it than people who don't................and are therefore likely to have a more balanced point of view.
4. Naturally, someone using statements as enlightened as yours wouldn't miss an opportunity to slip in a snide comment to HIV/AIDS................especially when it is the incidence of heterosexual transmission which is exploding in UK.
There is NO SUCH THING as the Gay Police Authority.
5. I'd like to see the authority upon which you base the particular assertion that being gay can be an assumed lifestyle, AOG. I think, no, I KNOW you are wrong on this point; and once more you are equating the entirity of a gay life with a single (not exclusively gay) sex-act...............
There are brave souls who are completely heterosexual men, now, who when given enough wine, or assurances of confidentiality, will admit to having had a teenage fumble with another boy................it is experimentation, nothing more and no weight more than that should be given to it !
cont
cont.
6. Whatever Ethel may or may not be..........Ethel is more knowledgeable and compassionate about the human heart than you, AOG.
7. An old chestnut, AOG. Best put to bed now. Its continued usage marks you out as bigot.
8.Constantly parade...... ? hmmmmmmmm
I presume you are referring to the one day a year it is possible to take to the streets with the possibilty of having your head staved in slightly diminished ?
Everything in the world is a parade of hetero-sexuality, AOG, but you cannot see it because it has never occured to you to question it. The things that aren't are the things that 'we' take for ourselves and those you seem to begrudge heartily.
6. Whatever Ethel may or may not be..........Ethel is more knowledgeable and compassionate about the human heart than you, AOG.
7. An old chestnut, AOG. Best put to bed now. Its continued usage marks you out as bigot.
8.Constantly parade...... ? hmmmmmmmm
I presume you are referring to the one day a year it is possible to take to the streets with the possibilty of having your head staved in slightly diminished ?
Everything in the world is a parade of hetero-sexuality, AOG, but you cannot see it because it has never occured to you to question it. The things that aren't are the things that 'we' take for ourselves and those you seem to begrudge heartily.
I haven't the time to answer all your points jackthehat, Especially due to the fact that I find most of your script almost unreadable due to you keeping your finger on the full-stop and the m keys. Calm down perhaps you are getting a little over excited?
But I must point out that I did make a simple mistake calling it an authority, instead of an association.
You must be really clutching at straws in your argument, to pick me up on such a small detail.
http://www.celebrate.gay.police.uk/celebrate/p artners.html
It is obvious that while you continue to bat for the other side, we are never going to agree.
But I must point out that I did make a simple mistake calling it an authority, instead of an association.
You must be really clutching at straws in your argument, to pick me up on such a small detail.
http://www.celebrate.gay.police.uk/celebrate/p artners.html
It is obvious that while you continue to bat for the other side, we are never going to agree.
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