im sorry i know u have i was just seeing if anyone else was on here that could give me some advise!!! ive now decided now to get the car after a friend of the family has just told me to steer clear there more hassle than there worth in the long run, insurance wise!! and my insurance company werent much help didnt have a clue what i was talking about on the cat c repaired bit and the vic test! but thank u for ur advise anyway. now off to look for a car!!!