Hands Up

[teacake44]

The ones that were adamant that we wouldn't have a vaccine. :0)))

[anneasquith]

My hands are up. I didn’t think we would not get a vaccine .My thoughts were at least summer time 2021. Well done those chemists, would it be too much to ask for 100% success rate soon ?

[bhg481]

TC - I realise that it's a completely different way of creating a vaccine and I understand how they create it; my surprise was how ineffective the 'flu vaccine is. I thought that if you had the jab you were just about 100% sure you wouldn't get the 'flu, I've learned that it's only 50% effective.

[jennyjoan]

I sat on the fence - unsure - but delighted that some great news is going to happen .

[Sunk]

You cannot say the flu vaccine is only 50% effective because that is just an average. Scientist have to predict months before the vaccine is mass produced to decide what strain to target. Some years they are right and the jab will be 65% effective. Another year they might target the wrong strain, and the jab will only be 35% effective.

[teacake44]

Why on earth would I give up time to do that Zac, plus I always limit my time on here any how, its so easy to get carried away, and spend all day doing so. The research and input wouldn't be worth the out come. :0)

[bhg481]

Sunk - I wasn't saying it; I was quoting the "expert on TV this morning.

[Zacs-Master]

'Why on earth would I give up time to do that Zac'

Is this another example of your rather strange 'logic'?

[Sunk]

Flu vacinne effectiveness by year

https://theatlas.com/charts/r17cpWUUz

[ichkeria]

There are nearly 250 vaccines on the go. So anyone who said there wouldn’t be one wasn’t paying attention.
Ok I know what you mean.

[bhg481]

OK sunk, so never more than 60% from your link (thank-you). I believed it was much higher than that, which is what I was trying to get across.

[New Judge]

I was one of them. I'll be delighted to be proved wrong.

[jim360]

I can't help but feel this is a little unfair to some, at least. There were at least two kinds of vaccine sceptic: the weirdos who just assume that vaccines are a medical hoax, and can be ignored; and those who pointed out, quite reasonably, that most viral vaccines take years to develop, assuming we get one at all. In that sense, I don't think it was unreasonable at all to expect that there wouldn't be a vaccine for Covid until 2021 at the earliest. Even allowing for fast-tracking because of the urgency, I don't think I was expecting a vaccine this calendar year, although I'm not really in any position to have known any better than media reports/quotes from leading experts.

In any case, I'm surprised and pleased at the news, and hope that it leads to a successful rollout before too long.

[Sunk]

bhg481
I knew it wasn’t 100% effective because I know people who have got the flu after having had their annual jab. I believe last years batch was only 45% effective.
If I had guessed I would have thought it was about 80% effective, so I am surprised it can be as little as only 15% effective.

[bhg481]

I knew there was one year where they'd guessed wrongly which strain to create the 'flu vaccine for so the protection had been poor but I believed that, most years, they got it right and protection was approaching 100%. When I came across the information that the covid vaccine was "only" (my word) 90% effective I was of the opinion that "It's better than nothing". Hearing that the 'flu vaccine is usually much less than 90% effective makes me much more optimistic about the covid vacine.

[jno]

I was one of the ones who said there was unlikely to be a vaccine soon (I don't think anyone said "never"; I certainly didn't) but I did point out that records were made to be broken. I hope I was wrong, but we'll still have to wait and see how it turns out.