Revoke Article 50 Petition

[Atheist]

I trust that most here are aware of the petition. A chance for remainers to show that there is a lot of support for their position. Have you voted yet?

[naomi24]

With insistence on some sort of a deal that ties us to EU regulations, the result is not being honoured. The result was 'Leave'.

[ichkeria]

“Those with strong opinions speak loudest”
You do realise (obviously not) that that quote by Yeats khandro very eloquently bemoans that very fact. Although I wasn’t in this case necessarily bemoaning it. Just responding to the point about restaurant reviews. It’s why you need to beware of Trip Advisor :-)

[spathiphyllum]

You voted without a load of correct knowledge just to leave. This is what you get when you have no prearranged logistics and people vote with so much uncertainty.

Maybe we can learn from this. And when i say we, i mean everyone who voted leave.

Regardless how we leave, we are leaving. There is no going back now. So yes, the vote is being honoured. Just because it's not going how you thought it would go (no idea why you had an assumption of how this would happen) doesn't mean it's not being honoured.

Because the flip side of the result certainly isn't being honoured, is it?

[spathiphyllum]

every single campaign promise made in 2016 has become unstuck. Fact.

[spathiphyllum]

even the immigration promise. Banter.

[spathiphyllum]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963?fbclid=IwAR2KsVceX2opPbCOdexR70Rt8j4GvPkRJNKyCGe7lERPA0a7dHX5KszQGjw

Here you go guy. This one is for you?

[New Judge]

"Maybe we can learn from this. And when i say we, i mean everyone who voted leave."

I don't need to learn anything from the current political debacle, spathi (other than perhaps to think carefully before I trouble to drag myself to a polling station in future). I was fully aware of what I was voting for, was fully aware of the stated objectives and fully aware of the possible and probable consequences. WHat I was not aware of was that the definition politicians have placed on "leaving" was wildly different not only to my own definition or to the dictionary definition, but is also wildly different to the stated aims of our chief negotiator which she set out a couple of years ago. It is scarcely my fault that the EU has sought to frustrate those objectives and after all it should have been fully expected (well it was by me). Nothing that I can see has changed since the referendum except that as the leaving date approached politicians lost their nerve.

[spathiphyllum]

I understand your point NJ, as a man of your calibre i am fully aware that you felt you knew what you were voting for. In reality, what's going on is what you voted for, unintentionally. Logistically, there was nothign in place for us to know if we could leave the EU and if so, then how.

so i stand by my point that yes, you knew what you wanted to vote for, but proven by what's literally going on right now, you had no idea what you were voting for. Because as you've admitted, this certainly isn't it.

[pixie374]

We voted to leave, spath. That's it. And actually, up to this page, I assumed you had too... not sure which side you're on :-). Providing it goes ahead, it is what we voted for.

[spathiphyllum]

Pixie we're all on the same side. We're the same country wanting whats best for all of us. Half this issue is the us against you mentallity really, pushing voters to blindly argue for their position, which we're all pretty unsure about.

I know we're leaving Pixie, that's what i was trying to tell Naomi. The fact we're leaving shows parliament is honouring the referendum.

But what i was saying to NewJudge is, it seems no one is happy where we're at, at the moment and no one is happy about how we've got here, but without the leaver vote, nothing at all would have happened.. So this is the result of the leavers vote, not the remainers. Proving, what they voted for isn't happening how they wished.

[spathiphyllum]

proving they voted for a plan that had no logistics.

[spathiphyllum]

so when it doesn't go "to plan" it's hard to moan.. What was the plan? Was there ever a solid plan?

[pixie374]

They didn't vote for a plan, the options were only stay or leave. The rest is presumption about who voted and why.
I entirely agree we should all be on the same side, but there is a minority of remain voters wanting to overturn a democratic vote. How does that help?

[naomi24]

//In reality, what's going on is what you voted for, unintentionally.//

No - it isn't. I voted to leave. Intentionally.

[ladybirder]

Me too and like lots of people I'm sure, just knew it would be made as difficult as possible to warn other members not to do the same as us.

[New Judge]

"In reality, what's going on is what you voted for, unintentionally."

No it isn't. What I voted for was for the UK to leave the EU. There is a perfectly sound mechanism for us to do that which requires no co-operation from anybody else. Even more than that, that option (leaving without an agreement) was the default position written into the legislation which Parliament passed. Just because it's worked out a bit tricky (mainly because of the ineptitude of our politicians) that is no reason to go back on that commitment. Things often turn out tricky. The Americans decided to land man on the moon (a task somewhat more difficult than achieving Brexit, though many would think otherwise) knowing it would be difficult, knowing they would encounter problems and indeed they did (three astronauts lost their lives during the programme). But they didn't get halfway through it think "Oh, it's all got a bit too much, we'd better turn it in".

“ Logistically, there was nothign in place for us to know if we could leave the EU and if so, then how.”

Yes there was. It is called Article 50, specifically contained within the Treaty we need to extract ourselves from. It’s the notion that we need permission to leave (a “deal”) if no inconvenience is to follow that has caused all the trouble. There will be short term inconvenience under a No Deal because the UK has allowed itself to become too greatly enmeshed in a Project which is attempting to integrate the independent nations of Europe into a single political morass. The very trouble that is now evident is testament to that and that is why we must leave whilst we have the opportunity because as sure as eggs is eggs the next EU Treaty will contain no Article 50 equivalent.

[Old_Geezer]

"why Brexiteers though?"
a) they're unlikely to vote in the poll themselves
b) pure devilment

I've added my name to various petitions in the past. Tge amount of checking seems minimal to me. They don't come around your home asking for id and checking the vote is valid.

[Old_Geezer]

"of course the vote is being honoured"

That remains to be seen. All the noise and action seem to be to prevent it. Not even had a Brexit deal suggested yet. But fingers crossed eh ?

[-Talbot-]

Revoke A50: Lose by 506

[ichkeria]

An email response from the government to this yesterday saying
“We’re definitely not revoking Article 50.
Nope.
No way “
Repeated in the next paragraph almost verbatim.
This morning another email:
“This will be debated”
If it was a football match there’d be chants of
“You don’t know what you’re doing” not to mention
“Sacked in the morning ...”