Why another shooting?

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/645367t

Yet another savage crime in London, this time a young Asian child was one of the victims.

Why? one asks, well it would seem from the report that some black youths had most likely been refused booze from the Asian shopkeeper, a row ensued and one returned with a gun, shooting both the shopkeeper and the girl.

I suppose I once again will be accused of racism for daring to enter this news story, which this time is not taken from the Daily Mail, but it is time we were able to conduct a normal debate and address the issues.

The related article written by the chief reporter of The Daily Telegraph although dated 26/06/10 addresses the problem of violent inner city black crime, and opens up a whole can of worms on what is a very sensitive issue.

http://tinyurl.com/26ec5gl

[anotheoldgit]

jack-the-hat, ponders then after intensive thought jumps in once again to make a valuable contribution to the debate.

But first before we dismiss it out of hand, let us take the time to consider what she put?

/// Dem damn darkies..............again !! ///

Sarcasm maybe, but still a very racist remark to make.

[pa___ul3]

I wouldn't argue that point Zeuhl, but given that drugs and gang culture go hand in hand in societies all over the world, I think it would be equally fair to assume that, had the Yardies not brought this, it would have hit our shores in some way other as soon as drugs did. The post about the 3 glamour models and 2 fellas arrested for bringing large amounts of drugs into Tamworth backs this up.

[jackthehat]

I was merely precising the thrust of your argument to save time, POF.

I thought it quite a neat encapsulation.........are you wishing to disagree ?

[andy-hughes]

Steve 5. "They shoot each other ..."

I have looked at that statment in all ways, to try and ascertain what 'good' ever comes out of anyone ever shooting anyone - ever.

I can only assume - feel free to correct me if i am wrong - that your point means that there are slightly less black and / or Asian people cluttering up the place of they occasionally kill each other - and a child is included because she is Asian, so that fits just fine.

So - either you are really that callous and cold-hearted that you think this way - in which case shame on you - or i have indeed misunderstood, in which case i am waiting for your next pst with interest.

[andy-hughes]

jack - what on earth are yoin doing trying to introduce a note of levity into an OAG post? Don't you know by now - only serious right-thinking people's posts are acceptable on here ... or do I mean Right thinking ...

[Zeuhl]

paul

I think we would be broadly in agreement here - i was wondering if the nature of the criminal/drugs gangs might have been different if rooted in a socio-economic underclass of a different ethnicity? Particularly the common place use of guns.

Mind you, it seems the albanian/east european gangsters also leave a lot to be desired.

Whatever happened to them nice Kray Brothers and their friends?
They were such lovely boys.
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[anotheoldgit]

One could not make this up, (surely)

/// What exists among disaffected black and Asian youths in this country is a society already hard-wired to view them with an element of hostility, fanned at regular invervals by a mob-baiting right-wing press, ///

Oh! so because a savage shooting is reported by a newspaper that happens to be accused of being 'right-wing' they are 'mob-bating'

Should the 'mob' not be told when an innocent Asian shop keeper and an young Asian child is shot?

But wait a minute it looks as if the Guardian have become Right Wing

http://tinyurl.com/6kv2a9e

/// and the contstant mis-information fed to us as a populace by politicains and media alike regarding the 'expansion' of Islamic believers (how long before that observation gets shot down!!!), ///

Don't you mean "blown up"

/// and the notion that black youths aspire to guns and gangs.///

All lies once again then,? Are all these shootings done by whites disguised as blacks then?

That's a 'conspiracy theory' to beat them all.

/// Perhaps a little less of the gung-ho approach to the wholesale shooting foreigners by our armed forces may encourage young people to believe that guns are not necessarily the answer? ///

Seems like a passage straight out of the 'Do Gooders' bible.

[pa___ul3]

AOG, are you ignoring my earlier question for a reason? As Zeuhl has pointed out, there do exist violent gangs that aren't black, why, then, do they commit such acts? Is it a different reason for that of these black youths?

[Zeuhl]

I think it is wrong to say that <<black youths aspire to guns and gangs>>

Because most of them don't.
Like any generalisation it isn't particularly rational or helpful.

Is there a higher propensity among black youths? Possibly true statistically - but again not very helpful or sensible - no more so than fearing the next cab driver you see is a murderer/drive by shooter.

There is an issue in the afro caribbean community to be sorted. Most of those people just want to lead worthwhile, peaceful lives same as the rest of us.

Every decade that passes we see not just the occasional shooting, but more and more examples of successful, professional people from that community

Therefore, as they are our fellow citizens -for all our sakes- we have a responsibility to help them fulfill themselves as we know they can and will if they are given fair opportunities.
.

[jackthehat]

<<<All lies once again then,? Are all these shootings done by whites disguised as blacks then? >>>

So it *is* about dem damn darkies ?

[andy-hughes]

Zeuhl - my point was that the media infer that black youths are 'drawn to guns and gangs' - it was not my intention to confirm this assertion - sorry if my wording was confusing.

[Zeuhl]

It wasn't andy
i confused it

but i think some people believe that so it served my point ;-)

cheers

[andy-hughes]

Thank you Zeuhl - it is perfectly possible to accept that occasionally statements are accidentally mis-interpereted, and a simple exchange - two posts - one each - sets the record straight/

So much better than endlessly barging back and forth until one loses the will to live - but as I have advised previously, I have dropped out of that particuolar waste of my valuable time.

[Zeuhl]

Andy

I know, I know .....

(sigh) but it's just so addictive isn't it?

I have a boring report to write and popping onto AB is just so easy

I have tried to convince myself it's a kind of therapy or variation for the 'little grey cells'

:-)

[pa___ul3]

Andy, I think it's more that the unemployed, inner city youths are drawn to guns and gangs and it's just that black men make up a large proportion of this group as I was trying to get AOG to understand earlier but he completely dismissed because it doesn't tie in with his theory that black people are murderers!

My theory is... these chavs / scallies are lazy but greedy, the only way to get what you want is to pay for it or take it, to take it you must be a nasty bastard, to pay for it you have to get the money, they, being lazy, don't want to work for the money so they see the easy way.. sell drugs, to sell drugs you have to protect yourself from those "takers" and other dealers who want your share of the business, so you have to become a nasty bastard. The nastiest bastard wins. The bigger the city the more the competition so the nastier the bastard and the longer the ladder of nasty bastardness so, what the nastiest bastard in, say Birkenhead, may not have to do, the grade F nasty bastard in London will have to do because there's more competition.
So, the highest levels of nasty bastardness exist in these areas where, coincidentally, the larger number of black youths live so they are merely victims of the nasty bastard scale.

[Zeuhl]

That's a good model. It works for me.

You should copyright that 'nasty bastard scale'

[Zeuhl]

'Nasty Bastardness Scale' - even better!

:-)

[anotheoldgit]

Andy-Hughes

/// what chance do the innocent have against these, what have been described as wild savages.///

Appertaining to the savage rapes committed by gangs of black youths

/// However, there are some good points, now & again they do shoot each
other .///.

Obviously referring to the already mentioned.

Seems simple enough to me, but then I have not got to get over any particular agenda.