Orange walks and other walks-marches

[tinkerbell23]

Local town had 150objections to an approx 400person march against racism and bigitory (republican)....

Locals reported complaints such as the march interrupted their right to peace and infringed on their day to day business......march also co-incided with a football game and trouble was feared.

Can the same be said about the "orange walks" that i have To endure time after timein my town (which is predominately catholic-and well known for it)

Shouldnt this all be banned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...side-central-13105383

[MarkRae]

It's a tricky one, Tinks. Marching is not illegal. Being a member of a legitimate political party is not illegal. Were there any arrests...?

[tinkerbell23]

Not that im aware of mark no, but where i live, on 12july and such, its wild. Last year almost 30000 decended on our next town (5min drive)..... Afterwards, its chaos.

I think it should all be banned- spreads ill feeling. X

[MarkRae]

There are no easy solutions, Tinks. Ask any of the long-term residents of Portobello Road in London and they will all support banning the Notting Hill Carnival. Ask any of the local shops, cafés and pubs, however, and you'll get a different answer.

Every year the police and organisers crow about how peaceful it's been. And every year the local residents crow about how much damage has been caused...

[mike11111]

I tend to agree. Were I ever moved to march to promote a particular standpoint it would be in an area where that standpoint met with approval, and not in one where it would be resented. To do otherwise would be pure provocation.

[lindapinda]

People in N.I have had to move on and accept each other's differences,can you not do the same?...In the great scheme of things and all the vile things that happen in life to totally innocent people,what is the big problem really?....

[tinkerbell23]

Simply, id personally rather not have the walk coming around, marching my streets, forcing me to listen! To bring followers who (not all) deface property and cause trouble, block roads and cause huge huge ill feeling.

Why should i be subjected to it all.

[tinkerbell23]

Ps, sorry but in NI i dont think people do really accept differences, granted it is much better from what i read/ hear, and im glad. And granted this was on a much much bigger scale than locally for me x

[lindapinda]

Am from N.I. ,and have lived through all the troubles. Have lost people and been badly affected. No...not everyone over here is "ok" with how things are going on,but,at least it is a work in progress!! Sinn fein accept the right of the orange order to "walk"..so maybe if we all try a bit of tolerance instead of just the usual negativity,we might get somewhere!

[tinkerbell23]

Thank you birdie, you say it better than me!

These walks, are worldwide and obviously in ireland mostly, howAever, speaking from scotland, in a predominately catholic town (which as said is well known, and described as uniquely irish populated or decendants- and little ireland) with approx 40,000 residents and i think 5 catholic chapels, these marches cause NOTHING but violence and ill feeling. Its time they were banned.

The marches are stupidly arranged for times when "mass" ends, or certain football (old firm) Involvement its a dead cert.

My taxes would be better spent aswell as there are hundreds of police who man these events.

Should be banned. I dont want to listen to it.

[tinkerbell23]

I agree linda that tolerance would be best, but my point is...personally. Ban it.

There are specific halls that the orange order have in towns, theyre entitled to their thoughts and beliefs, but im entitled to not have to watch them march down my road, and the trouble and noise. Its actually insulting to alot of people and it beggars belief that in this day and age its still allowed.

[tamborine]

We get an orange march down here where our streets are closed and sikhs in orange turbans march between their temples. The sikh households give free samosas/indian sweets/fruit drinks to passers by. I can fill 3 Tesco bags with their giveaways & think its a great feast.

[tinkerbell23]

Mmm tambo, free food!? Now your talking!

All i get is woke up early, or people leaning on our fences and spreading hatred.
Your walk sound like trying to bring communities together, not a policed abomination x

[lindapinda]

it's wierd,but,the catholic/protestant thing is always more difficult apparently in scotland. It is going on here no doubt,but,at least we think about how much we lost to try to get improving things even though it is soo difficult !..

[New Judge]

It is about time that people of all religions simply practiced their beliefs in the comfort of their own home or, if they really must, in a recognised place of worship which should, as far as possible be “out of town”. They could then keep themselves and their beliefs to themselves, not trouble the rest of us with their ideas and we’d all get on splendidly.

The idea that a town (or worse, a part of a town) should be “Catholic” or whatever, and another area should be “Protestant” or whatever is preposterous. Where I live I don’t even know what religion, if any, my immediate neighbours follow and nor do I want to. It is nothing to do with me. People that promote or encourage such divisions need to grow up, mind their own business and get on with their lives. All manifestations of these divisions should banned because there is no doubt that events such as the “marches” described in the article cause unnecessary distress and inconvenience to many people who have not the slightest interest in the participants’ causes.

The local authority’s reaction to the request to hold such an event was as interesting as it was predictable:

“The authority said its powers to refuse were restricted by the European Convention on Human Rights.”

Of course they were. And if ever any evidence was needed to support this country’s withdrawal from such an absurd piece of legislation this is it. The State has no power to protect the rights of the majority by preventing a group of people causing inconvenience and distress to many others because the ”rights” of those taking part may be infringed.

There is no reason at all why those promoting any cause need to march the streets in the UK. There may have been a need a hundred years ago, but today the plethora of communication methods available is such that they restrict the promotion

[New Judge]

...the promotion of their causes to just those who have an interest and nobody else need be troubled.

[kinell]

new judge,

very well put...

dim impressionable people who conduct their lives according to the parts of a comic book that suit them are fully deserving of comtempt,

just like other strange personal practices, do what you feel compelled to do behind closed doors because the stable majority consider you to be rather pathetic and moreso...we dont give a toss

[tinkerbell23]

Thank you for your input all- x

[abstibus]

I don't mind the marches/walks, which regularly pass my house in the 'marching season', but I wish the organisers could get some musicians in the bands. It's the swaggering flute-playing 'kick-the-popers' and their followers with their collecting tins that really annoy me. Not a note in their heads,