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Unlike Gordon Brown, David Cameron refuses to fly the European Union flag at No.10, or any other Government building on tomorrows Europe day.
Why doesn't he go the whole way and give us a referendum on whether or not we should stay in Europe?
Unlike Gordon Brown, David Cameron refuses to fly the European Union flag at No.10, or any other Government building on tomorrows Europe day.
Why doesn't he go the whole way and give us a referendum on whether or not we should stay in Europe?
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David Cameron knows it would be disastrous for the UK to leave the EU.
Unfortunately he leads a party full of Europhobes. Empty pointless gestures like not flying the fly pleases many in his party, but any major decisions, he will always vote for the EU.
Your only hope for a referendum is if the Tories need UKiP in a coalition after the next election. But when it came to the vote, a similar result 66-33% NO would result.
Unfortunately he leads a party full of Europhobes. Empty pointless gestures like not flying the fly pleases many in his party, but any major decisions, he will always vote for the EU.
Your only hope for a referendum is if the Tories need UKiP in a coalition after the next election. But when it came to the vote, a similar result 66-33% NO would result.
On the contrary Gromit, the reason we don't have a referendum is because the public are increasingly EU sceptic and the senior politicians of all hues would not risk getting the "wrong" answer. There is a growing animosity about being a huge contributor but getting very little benefit from the EU. Many, like myself would prefer to revert back to trading agreements and general cooperation rather than the current submerging into a federal amorphourism. I do accept though that the UK press are very UK sceptic and do tend to peddle stories that underline that stance.
That's what everyone said last time when Labour gave you a referendum on the Common Market. But when they came to it, the public unnamously vote for Europe. Same would happen again, as soon as they realised their jobs depend on the EU, the public will vote for their own interests, not the country's.
BTW, I won just over £100 getting the AV vote spot on.
BTW, I won just over £100 getting the AV vote spot on.
The aim has been since shortly after WW11 to have a Unites States of Europe and they will not stop until they get it.
The UK or whats left of it by then will be as it was under Roman rule , nothing more than a province to supply goods and taxes to our overseas masters and rulers.
Our governemnts will only give us a referendum when they are virtually 100% sure of what the outcome will be.
So you wont see one on anything of any consequence regarding Europe any time soon.
They need roughly another two generations before most of the living generations who object are gone and the current batch of kids are sufficiently brainwashed and used to the notion of the EU so will accept it, and coupled with mass (mainly coloured) immigration supplanting the populus, that will have no worries about not hanging on to the UK's past identity and heritage, it will be game set and match for the EU.
europe day ?! they can shove it up their collective rsses
The UK or whats left of it by then will be as it was under Roman rule , nothing more than a province to supply goods and taxes to our overseas masters and rulers.
Our governemnts will only give us a referendum when they are virtually 100% sure of what the outcome will be.
So you wont see one on anything of any consequence regarding Europe any time soon.
They need roughly another two generations before most of the living generations who object are gone and the current batch of kids are sufficiently brainwashed and used to the notion of the EU so will accept it, and coupled with mass (mainly coloured) immigration supplanting the populus, that will have no worries about not hanging on to the UK's past identity and heritage, it will be game set and match for the EU.
europe day ?! they can shove it up their collective rsses
Our MEPs with the exception of UKIP have failed to support this country . Once they get a taste of the huge allowances they put themslves first . I don't trust DC to get us out of the EU and all this silly talk about changing it, is impossible . We will continue pay the fines and our contributions .
Churchill was wrong in not being a founding member, when we could have made the rules, and Heath was wrong in joining under De Gaulle's terms. It's too late now we either stay in or get out ,there is no middle course.
Churchill was wrong in not being a founding member, when we could have made the rules, and Heath was wrong in joining under De Gaulle's terms. It's too late now we either stay in or get out ,there is no middle course.
[Two Part Answer]
Perhaps you could explain, Gromit, Just how withdrawing from the EU will be a “disaster” for the UK. There are many countries in Europe which are not members of the EU and as far as I know none of them are particularly suffering a disastrous existence caused solely by their non-membership. True, a number are clamouring at the door to be let in, but I think they see their fortunes set to rise not as a result of what they can put in to the Union, but largely as a result of what they can draw out. Little or nothing has been gained by the UK since 2007 when Romania and Bulgaria joined the throng. There will be little or nothing for us if countries such Western Balkans. Croatia, Iceland, Macedonia, Montenegro and Turkey (the “official” waiting list) barge in round the honey pot.
The argument that our trade with the EU will suffer does not hold up to scrutiny. We trade very successfully with non-EU nations and they with us. Non-EU nations trade very successfully with EU ones and they with them. The notion that trade between us and the other EU nations would suddenly and drastically reduce were we to withdraw is nonsense and even if it did we could make up the shortfall by increasing trade with those nations we have deserted in the last forty years. It will take some adjustment but the problems are not insurmountable and the potential benefits are enormous.
Perhaps you could explain, Gromit, Just how withdrawing from the EU will be a “disaster” for the UK. There are many countries in Europe which are not members of the EU and as far as I know none of them are particularly suffering a disastrous existence caused solely by their non-membership. True, a number are clamouring at the door to be let in, but I think they see their fortunes set to rise not as a result of what they can put in to the Union, but largely as a result of what they can draw out. Little or nothing has been gained by the UK since 2007 when Romania and Bulgaria joined the throng. There will be little or nothing for us if countries such Western Balkans. Croatia, Iceland, Macedonia, Montenegro and Turkey (the “official” waiting list) barge in round the honey pot.
The argument that our trade with the EU will suffer does not hold up to scrutiny. We trade very successfully with non-EU nations and they with us. Non-EU nations trade very successfully with EU ones and they with them. The notion that trade between us and the other EU nations would suddenly and drastically reduce were we to withdraw is nonsense and even if it did we could make up the shortfall by increasing trade with those nations we have deserted in the last forty years. It will take some adjustment but the problems are not insurmountable and the potential benefits are enormous.
[Part Two]
As far as the 1975 referendum is concerned the question was "Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community (Common Market)?" The nation did not vote unanimously to remain in the organisation. Some 67% of voters voted “Yes” on a turnout of 64%. However, despite being the most frightening consequence of all, in its publicity the Government made no mention of a Federal state with national powers being usurped by an unelected super-quango. In fact it went to great lengths to allay such fears. Despite these reassurances the organisation has changed by stealth out of all recognition in the last 36 years. If, instead, the question had been "Do you support the principal of a European superstate with many national powers handed over the bureaucrats in Brussels?" (as should be the question now) the result might have been different.
All referendums are accompanied by the phrases “winning” and “losing”. Such plebiscites are there not to be won and lost but to establish the wishes of the people. If Ministers, MPs and the Lords want to relinquish the nation’s sovereignty that is their affair. But it is not theirs to relinquish and that is precisely what, to their eternal shame, they have done.
Mr Cameron is right to refuse to fly the “EU” flag on public buildings. Such buildings house members of the UK government and its staff, not EU officials. However, whether he will go much further than that remains to be seen.
As far as the 1975 referendum is concerned the question was "Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community (Common Market)?" The nation did not vote unanimously to remain in the organisation. Some 67% of voters voted “Yes” on a turnout of 64%. However, despite being the most frightening consequence of all, in its publicity the Government made no mention of a Federal state with national powers being usurped by an unelected super-quango. In fact it went to great lengths to allay such fears. Despite these reassurances the organisation has changed by stealth out of all recognition in the last 36 years. If, instead, the question had been "Do you support the principal of a European superstate with many national powers handed over the bureaucrats in Brussels?" (as should be the question now) the result might have been different.
All referendums are accompanied by the phrases “winning” and “losing”. Such plebiscites are there not to be won and lost but to establish the wishes of the people. If Ministers, MPs and the Lords want to relinquish the nation’s sovereignty that is their affair. But it is not theirs to relinquish and that is precisely what, to their eternal shame, they have done.
Mr Cameron is right to refuse to fly the “EU” flag on public buildings. Such buildings house members of the UK government and its staff, not EU officials. However, whether he will go much further than that remains to be seen.
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