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Rape is Rape ... Idiots ... I am steaming!
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I can hardly read today's papers without screaming.
What is WRONG with these idiot women?
They are attacking Kenneth Clarke for disagreeing with the suggestion that "rape is rape".
So here are 2 scenarios ...
Scenario (1)
Me and the BF roll in a bit p!ssed. He wants a bonk. I'm not really up for it. As we fall asleep, he has his way with me, kisses me, and falls asleep.
I wake up wondering why there's a sticky patch on my side of the bed.
He give me a coffee, and some toast.
Scenario (2)
As I walk home, a bag is thrown over my head. Four strangers drag me, screaming, into an alley. To stop me screaming, they punch me in the face, until I am unconscious. They take turns raping me, in the dirt, behind the wheelie bins.
I wake up in hospital, connected to a drip feed. My nose is broken. I have lost a lot of blood.
The doctor tells me that the men who raped me were arrested buying drugs. One of them is known to be HIV positive, and I will need to be tested.
So ...
There is really NO difference between these rapes?
As a victim, I should feel no worse about scenario (2)?
God almighty.
Feminists have a track record of making the rest of us look stupid, but this time they've really gone too far.
These women are morons !!!!!!!
What is WRONG with these idiot women?
They are attacking Kenneth Clarke for disagreeing with the suggestion that "rape is rape".
So here are 2 scenarios ...
Scenario (1)
Me and the BF roll in a bit p!ssed. He wants a bonk. I'm not really up for it. As we fall asleep, he has his way with me, kisses me, and falls asleep.
I wake up wondering why there's a sticky patch on my side of the bed.
He give me a coffee, and some toast.
Scenario (2)
As I walk home, a bag is thrown over my head. Four strangers drag me, screaming, into an alley. To stop me screaming, they punch me in the face, until I am unconscious. They take turns raping me, in the dirt, behind the wheelie bins.
I wake up in hospital, connected to a drip feed. My nose is broken. I have lost a lot of blood.
The doctor tells me that the men who raped me were arrested buying drugs. One of them is known to be HIV positive, and I will need to be tested.
So ...
There is really NO difference between these rapes?
As a victim, I should feel no worse about scenario (2)?
God almighty.
Feminists have a track record of making the rest of us look stupid, but this time they've really gone too far.
These women are morons !!!!!!!
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So glad you brought this up JJ if not a little too graphic, too much information as they say.
To hear the media go on about this you would think Ken Clarke had committed rape himself.
All he is guilty of his speaking his mind, I know exactly how he feels because I myself are often criticised on AB for daring to do the same.
What is his crime that has got the women's lobby and the media crying for his resignation? He said "there are different types of rape" and so there are as JJ has illustrated.
That is not to say that rape is not a horrible crime, but the most serious crime of all is murder, (the taking of another's life). Well there are different types (by law) of murder ie predetermined murder being the most serious, right down to accidental murder ie manslaughter.
I have just been listening to the woman that is causing most of the uproar over this, she is the one that Ken has sent a personal letter to, to try and explain what he meant and also an apology if he caused her any upset.
No we are in a very sad situation indeed, if one is forced to quit their job for just voicing an opinion.
To hear the media go on about this you would think Ken Clarke had committed rape himself.
All he is guilty of his speaking his mind, I know exactly how he feels because I myself are often criticised on AB for daring to do the same.
What is his crime that has got the women's lobby and the media crying for his resignation? He said "there are different types of rape" and so there are as JJ has illustrated.
That is not to say that rape is not a horrible crime, but the most serious crime of all is murder, (the taking of another's life). Well there are different types (by law) of murder ie predetermined murder being the most serious, right down to accidental murder ie manslaughter.
I have just been listening to the woman that is causing most of the uproar over this, she is the one that Ken has sent a personal letter to, to try and explain what he meant and also an apology if he caused her any upset.
No we are in a very sad situation indeed, if one is forced to quit their job for just voicing an opinion.
Thanks, AOG.
It was a bit graphic, I know ... but I think it was the only way to illustrate the difference.
Scenario (1) is a situation where, most of the time, the woman would consent.
The "rape" arose because of her frame of mind on the occasion in question.
But no woman would consent to Scenario (2). Ever.
It was a bit graphic, I know ... but I think it was the only way to illustrate the difference.
Scenario (1) is a situation where, most of the time, the woman would consent.
The "rape" arose because of her frame of mind on the occasion in question.
But no woman would consent to Scenario (2). Ever.
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Wow AOG maybe there is something to be learned from the way Clarke presents himself then?
Just a thought!
Also Kind of agree with JJ but think he chose his words very unwisely! You tell someone that was date raped and somone who was say, raped in a park that what happened to them was less significant and I'm sure you would get a very emotive response!
Thats the flip side, Just for a little bit of balance!
Just a thought!
Also Kind of agree with JJ but think he chose his words very unwisely! You tell someone that was date raped and somone who was say, raped in a park that what happened to them was less significant and I'm sure you would get a very emotive response!
Thats the flip side, Just for a little bit of balance!
sherminator ...
I agree with you, too.
But, even with date rape, there are grey areas.
(a) Boy and girl go back to his flat. They get undressed, and get into bed. As they start to "do it", she suddenly says ... "Oh god, I'm not sure about this". For him, it's a bit too late, and he quickly "finishes off".
(b) In the pub, boy spikes girl's drink. He "walks her home" but follows her inside. She has no idea what is going on. She is drugged almost unconscious. He strips her, and rapes her.
Hands up anyone who can see no difference whatsoever.
I agree with you, too.
But, even with date rape, there are grey areas.
(a) Boy and girl go back to his flat. They get undressed, and get into bed. As they start to "do it", she suddenly says ... "Oh god, I'm not sure about this". For him, it's a bit too late, and he quickly "finishes off".
(b) In the pub, boy spikes girl's drink. He "walks her home" but follows her inside. She has no idea what is going on. She is drugged almost unconscious. He strips her, and rapes her.
Hands up anyone who can see no difference whatsoever.
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Agree JJ and I am just splitting hairs now....
What you said would still come under the banner of a date rape or a...normal rape(yes I realise that is a very crass term and i apologise!)
and to the victims i suggest they would be hard pressed to say which is worse, in that sense a rape is a rape! I think it depends what way you look at it.
what is much, much worse is the reasom for the whole debate.....Prisons are overcrowded and we NEED to find ways of releasing people earlier!....Thats what the real debate should have been over!
What you said would still come under the banner of a date rape or a...normal rape(yes I realise that is a very crass term and i apologise!)
and to the victims i suggest they would be hard pressed to say which is worse, in that sense a rape is a rape! I think it depends what way you look at it.
what is much, much worse is the reasom for the whole debate.....Prisons are overcrowded and we NEED to find ways of releasing people earlier!....Thats what the real debate should have been over!
On the radio this morning there was criticism about measures not to identify the accused rapist, until proven guilty.
What are ABers feelings regarding this, because it didn't seem to go down too well with the women interviewed this morning.
Back to the degrees of rape.
Take the scenario of a husband and wife, a husband has had a few drinks and when he and his wife go to bed, he starts to get a little amorous, but his missus says she has a headache, but he says "don't be cruel" and forces himself on her.
Still technically rape, but would his wife feel permanently mentally damaged, and would she take him to the courts?
What are ABers feelings regarding this, because it didn't seem to go down too well with the women interviewed this morning.
Back to the degrees of rape.
Take the scenario of a husband and wife, a husband has had a few drinks and when he and his wife go to bed, he starts to get a little amorous, but his missus says she has a headache, but he says "don't be cruel" and forces himself on her.
Still technically rape, but would his wife feel permanently mentally damaged, and would she take him to the courts?
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Well, wasn't the debate sparked by the suggestion of reduced sentences for defendants who plead Guilty?
The woman on the radio said rapists should never be offered reduced sentences, and Kenneth Clarke was ... "siding with the rapists" !!
But, under the current regime, they DON'T plead Guilty ... and 94% of them get off scott free. That is ridiculous. Surely it is the current arrangement that favours the rapist ... NOT KC's new proposals.
Any offender who has the odds 94% in their favour would be happy to take a chance.
The woman on the radio said rapists should never be offered reduced sentences, and Kenneth Clarke was ... "siding with the rapists" !!
But, under the current regime, they DON'T plead Guilty ... and 94% of them get off scott free. That is ridiculous. Surely it is the current arrangement that favours the rapist ... NOT KC's new proposals.
Any offender who has the odds 94% in their favour would be happy to take a chance.
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