Another teacher sacked for daring to lay a finger on a child

[dave50]

The teacher was sacked because he physically restrained him by grabbing his arms and left some marks! Oh dear, must be assault then! How pathetic. Oh yes he was a 15 year old boy with 'special needs'. What does that mean? I will translate, it means a naughty child, simple as that, same as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Another label to excuse bad behavior.

[Barmaid]

Doc, that is a ridiculous statement. Special Educational Needs is not a "silly made up description". What would you prefer? Moron? Backwards?

I have the JOY of having regular contact with two children with SEN. One is profoundly disabled, in a wheelchair and "locked in" to his own world. The other has profound learning difficulties. Both of them have educational needs just like other children do. It's just that these two have different needs. Get it now?

[Barmaid]

Doc, that "ESN" post is extremely offensive.

[Answerprancer]

"Silly made up description" ?
Nope, just new tried and tested ways of integrating.

"Educationally Subnormal" - mmm, nice one Doctor "say it like it is".
Do you also think MONGOL, SPAZ or FLID are fair and acceptable terms of description ?

[mike11111]

ESN was the officially approved government term when I started teacher training in the 70s.

[Prudie]

It's a shame the term 'special educational needs' was used in the article at all as it's irrelevant and implies either that the behaviour was therefore acceptable or this is the only type of pupil that can be disruptive.. There are plenty of 'non-special' pupils behaving like this in schools and teachers have a limited set of methods to deal with it.

[Answerprancer]

It appears Doc that you belong to the bigoted self opinionated old pudding section of society.

[Answerprancer]

For "pudding" read TW /-\T

[Barmaid]

AP - one of the reasons why children with SEN have such difficulties is that they have to deal with people who are truly ignorant as to the difficulties faced by them and their families.

These kids don't have a choice. Some of the posters on here should jolly well know better - the fact that they don't is the really disturbing thing.

[Answerprancer]

I know Barmaid, I work with them.

[DTCwordfan]

Now Now AP, this will have both of you being hung from the Ed's beam - stick to logical reasoning not insults. Doc's remark is deliberately inflammatory and he is trying to stir the proverbial this evening.

However, one thing, even kids that have problems still need some guidance and discipline and its a bloody hard line that teachers have to walk. This is a bit like the Manslaughter thread - and I don't think we have all the facts at our hands to comment really sensibly on this.

[Answerprancer]

I agree DT, part of the 'inclusion' aspect of being SEN etc. is taking a fair share of whatever disciplinary proceedures are needed taking into account the child's ability to understand what's going on.

[joeluke]

Kids with SEN should be in special needs schools

If a child of mine had showed such a lack of respect to a teacher as this brat did I'd be appalled

I blame the parents, if kids are brought up the right way, taught manners, respect etc then they don't behave like this

[DTCwordfan]

please read "as" instead of "and" in my last line. It wasn't a typo, just poorly constructed! I presumed that this was a DM story and designed for sensationalism rather than a balanced assessment of the problem that our teachers face and potential constructive suggestions.

[Answerprancer]

"Kids with SEN should be in special needs schools"
That's utter garbage, what about 'inclusion' so they can have a chance of learning how to go out into society better prepared ?
SEN does not automatically mean "naughty" - it looks like you need to do some research JL.

[DTCwordfan]

Not all joeluke, if the school is good, constructive and inclusive, so that other kids know what the challenges are, they can be remarkable places for all involved. I have friends with an autistic child and he goes to a perfectly normal school and does very well. The other kids are also very supportive of him. That takes sensitive teaching and guidance to achieve.

For an amazing place there is no finer texample than the T Rogers School in Houston where educationally brilliant kids are mixed with those who are handicapped and have learning difficulties. It soon knocks intellectual arrogance out of the brilliant children and they are wonderful in how they help their less privileged class mates. Could do with some schools over here like that perhaps?

[DTCwordfan]

http://ms.houstonisd.org/THRogers/

is the link....

[sara3]

I'm sure your daughter would be really proud of what you've posted here, Doc.