At least 87 dead in Norway - Extreme right wing blamed

[Gromit]

At least 80 children are believed to have been shot, and 7 killed and many injurred in the bomb attack in Oslo. Initial reports are that the suspect captured has no connection to al qaeda but is from an extreme ring wing organisation in Norway.

Should we now take the threat from extreme rightists in our own country more seriously?

[Chaffinch]

This is truly awfull, and my heat goes out to the parants and relatives of these inocent victims.

Safiya, your point was taken, by most but not by AOG and his followers, Gromit did not post emotionally at all in my opinion.

[Chaffinch]

*heart*

[Safiya]

cheers chaffinch... glad someone knew what i meant ... i dont think gromit posted emotionally either

[mightyWBA]

AOG I merely posted what I heard while I was watching the BBC news live this morning.
The man who was giving his eyewitness account said "He looked like he was dressed as a Nazi"..The interviewer got him to repeat this.
He also said he hid himself amongst the dead bodies to avoid being shot.

Whatever the man was wearing or whatever his political beliefs are the fact is at least 90 people,many of them youngsters ,have been brutally murdered.
It is an outrageous atrocity against innocent people.
You can't argue with that.

[thedodge]

I love this site when you post to you have to belong to a group
Chaffinch // AOG and his followers//

Which will i join , will it be the aog group , The Gromit Gang or the Safiya mob.

[Safiya]

LOL at me and gromit having gangs and mobs and aog has a group....... well sorry dodge but you cant join my 'mob' cos theres just me in it and i'd like to keep it that way.....

[Whickerman]

He was dressed as a policeman, he was a right wing christian fundamentalist and is responsible for at least 84 deaths, possibly 91 if the link to the bomb is him.

SO for all those who chomp at the bit for Islam to be wiped out because of the actions of a minority of loony Muslim fundies linked to extremist groups, I look forward to your comments calling for Christianity to be banned on the same grounds.

I won't hold my breath.

[KARL]

Wickerman correctly points to the risk of wrongly identifying the cause/culprit through an inclination toward over-simplification. The cause is extremist approaches to concepts and ideas, not a philosophy or belief system and certainly not the overall envelope of having ideas at all. To go from disagreement with a religion or philosophy to a view of "them" being identifiable (as an example) by one or more perpetrators of a crime wearing trousers (say, jeans just as an example) and extrapolate madly from there to then say that all who wear jeans not only agree with and support crime but are criminals is a fundamental mistake. The problem is that fanatical extremists (bordering on or actually straying into lunacy) are the ones who lose the plot, whether they are muslims, christians, nazi/political ideologues or atheists. It is in fact not the act of thinking that does it but taking a thought process up and along a destructive path and trying to convert reality to a deranged picture. Disagreement is one thing, violence based on it is quite another. We should be able to live with and rationally discuss the former, we should give no quarter to the latter.

[anotheoldgit]

Safiya

This was one solitary disarranged person, not a vast number of religious nutters.

If you still disagree, please supply examples of Far Right Groups who have committed crimes such as this in our own country.

[anotheoldgit]

Safiya

/// i was saying w t f did it matter what he was wearing in response to aogs attempted sarkiness to WBA ///

Are you always so aggressive.

I was not attempting to be sarcastic to WBA, he himself did not say the perpetrator was wearing a Nazi Uniform, he was merely repeating something he had heard on the BBC news.

If I was being sarcastic, then I was being sarcastic to the BBC's incorrect reporting and not to WBA.

So in future before you accuse a person, please get your facts correct.

[Safiya]

if you think ive been agressive theres a report button...click it

as to your other comment i was neither agreeing or disagreeing with it... i was simply pointing out that if you can suggest that one 'right wing nutter doesnt make them all the same' then surely you can apply that to all similar situations no matter what 'leaning' they have

[notasyoungasiwas]

This is awful, just awful. Makes you wonder where on earth it will happen next.

[THECORBYLOON]

"This was one solitary disarranged person, not a vast number of religious nutters."

The police have yet to establish he acted alone so there may be other CHRISTIAN nutters waiting to be caught or waiting to carry out more attacks.

[anotheoldgit]

Chaffinch

/// Gromit did not post emotionally at all in my opinion. ///

And you are perfectly in your right to voice your opinion.

Just as I hope I am also in my right to voice mine.

Calling them children when they were indeed youths, borders on emotionality as well as being sensational.

As does asking whether we should take the threat from extreme rightists in our own country more seriously? Just from this one instance in a foreign country.

This all seems to me, what he often accuses The Daily Mail of doing, in my opinion of course.

[sp1814]

It's so illuminating reading the responses from certain posters here. If the chap had been an Islamic extremist, you absolutely know without a should what their reaction would be - but he isn't and it's left them stumbling around pointing out perceived semantic shortcomings of the question.

Outstanding.

[THECORBYLOON]

Come on now sp, the guy's a white Christian so he MUST be acting alone AND be a nutter so there's nothing to worry about okay?

[Gromit]

// Breivik, who was charged with the mass killings, evidence of his increasingly far-right world-view emerged from an article he had posted on Nordisk, a site frequented by neo-Nazis, far-right radicals and Islamophobes since 2009.

Breivik had talked admiringly online about conversations he had had with unnamed English Defence League members and the organisation Stop the Islamification of Europe (SIOE) over the success of provocative street actions leading to violence.

"I have on some occasions had discussions with SIOE and EDL and recommended them to use certain strategies," he wrote two years ago. "The tactics of the EDL are now to 'lure' an overreaction from the Jihad Youth/Extreme-Marxists, something they have succeeded in doing several times already." //

[DrFilth]

gromit i talk to city fans but you never see me inside the ground

[anotheoldgit]

When a Christian group or the EDL have committed a terrorist act then we will have need to take them more seriously and consequently take action against them.

Islamic groups, have committed murderous acts of terrorism, not only in this country but across the world, that is why we must take them seriously.

[xstitcher]

This gets me......they are saying that he will be charged under the terrorist act and can get up to 21 years.............that's it......I would have hoped it was 21 years per life that he took.