Tottenham Riot

[daisya]

Just watching Sky news atm and seeing the aftermath of rioting tonight, has anyone else seen it?

[funnygirl]

Redhelen, thank you. Supports what I said.
I am not condoning this behaviour as I believe it will not solve anything. But if black people think an injustice was done then they will riot.

All we want to know is, what happened with the guy that was shot.
Did he have a gun?? We only have the police's word.
Who shot first??
Family are saying he was not a gangster and just a family man whether he was or not I cannot say. But it seems the family have not been told anything at all and quite rightly they want answers.

[Philtaz]

That's what the IPCC are there for and the results of their inquiry won't be submitted overnight and nor should it. We do want transparency in such cases after all, don't we?

If initial witness accounts are anything to go by the image of him being a 'family man' are going to be somewhat difficult to sustain, as I don't know many family men who would allegedly carry a gun and use it against Police when confronted.

Do you?

Let's just wait for the IPCC report, as the local community ought to have done instead of carrying out wanton criminal activity.

[anotheoldgit]

/// This must look very welcoming for those who are looking forward to the Olympics next year ///

Especially if you are watching the Olympics on a looted 50+ inch TV.

[anotheoldgit]

funnygirl

This tells you something of Mark Duggan, and how he was shot.

http://www.dailymail....don-cab-shootout.html

[funnygirl]

Thank aog.

[joeluke]

Hopefully rent-a-mob will have got it all out of their system by Saturday cos it's Spurs first home game of the season

[horseshoes]

It was reported he was "an Elder"

"The phrase is used to describe people who are well known and respected by residents".

Do they mean in the same way the Krays were Known and respected? I think it's another term for "scared stiff of".

[horseshoes]

LOL @ Joeluke

[emmie]

Yes earlier, a total disgrace.

[modeller]

Gromit I think you have made my point riots have taken place under every government but it was only under Labour that the unions were able to bring this country to a standstill and would do so again if given the chance.
Didn't Brown appeal to the Unite and Cabin crew to show some common sense
And who last week said Labour Got It Wrong? Your leader Ed Miliband.
A man who could make a good prime minister if the unions and the lefties let him

[modeller]

Gromit // I remember

Toxteth (1981)
Brixton 1 (1981)
Brixton 2 (1985)
Handsworth 1 (1981)
Handsworth 2 (1985)
Handsworth 3 (1991)
Moss Side (1981)
Strangeways (1990)
Trafalgar Square (1990)
Broadwater Farm (1985)
Bristol (1980)
Leeds (1981)//
Tottenham 2011
Most Labour councils and MPs Coincidence ?

[emmie]

does it matter who was in power, people have been hurt, notably yet again the police. Plus how many have lost their businesses, and homes for the actions of these thugs.

[Munnty]

The link with all not most is that there is a Tory PM in number 10

[Brenden]

All those convicted of this barbaric act should be given really hefty prison sentences, set an example that this sort of behaviour is no longer acceptable - zero tolerance.

[Gromit]

Modeller,

No not coincidence. If a Tory Government is going cut spending, it is going to do it in inner city areas, rather that the Tory run shires.

[Snafu03]

we also have large jewish and chinese communities in inner city areas without chips on their shoulders. maybe community leaders in tottenham can study them as a model on multiculturalism? just a thought.

[sp1814]

snafu03

I know what you mean - just like the white middle class students climbing up on the cenotaph, spray-painting the Winston Churchill statue etc etc...

You know where I'm coming from don't you?

Just a though....

[daisya]

Only saw a brief glimpse just now that breaking news tonight is that the police are dealing with riots in Enfield, I haven't checked this out yet but wondered if anyone else has heard it?

[Kromovaracun]

"Why do people have to make such a fuss over the police assasinating a community leader? "

Because he was carrying an illegal firearm. Being a 'community leader' (which to be quite honest I have not read anywhere so I'd like to know where you got that from) doesn't allow you to do that.

Obviously we don't know the facts about the Duggan shooting yet, so we can't make calls on it. But I'm pretty sure I can say with confidence that even though it's far from unheard of for the police to kill civilians, police officers who use their firearms don't do it because they get off on killing people - which is what you'd think from the way they're described sometimes. Each time they've done it, it does seem to have been out of a genuine perception - sometimes wrong - that whoever they were targetting was a threat of some kind. As yet, we have no way of knowing whether the perception in this case was correct and it kind of depresses me that people refuse to see the ambiguities in the situation and immediately decide to side themselves against (or for) the police for no reason other than that's what they normally do.

[daisya]

Well as you say there's no facts being given out at the moment, but I've just read somewhere that according to that source, the Guardian says initial ballistic results in the bullet found in the policeman's radio was a police issue bullet. I'm quoting what I've just read, but if this is going to be printed then that will cause some problems even if not true won't it?