Cameron at last pledges national service at 16 for all.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....l-service-16-ALL.html

If this comes to fruition, it is what should have been done years ago.

[Messi_Ten]

It won't happen. When someone actually figures out the costs involved, it will be quietly dropped.

[Old_Geezer]

Hoping to cause bigger and more aggressive riots then is he ? Wonder what he thinks he'll gain from that. A few decades in the wilderness of the opposition benches maybe ?

[welshlibranr]

won't happen!......will cost too much!.......they won't fund it!.....the gangs will remain on the streets!............

[DrFilth]

during the war we had the bevan boys will these be known as camerons campers

[horseshoes]

We don't need National Service. What we need is to allow police and teachers to do their jobs like they used to without fear of breaching the little darlings Ooman Rights. Anti social behaviour needs stamping out early - look at the flotsam hanging around any town centre - drinking, spitting, swearing making the high streets unpleasant for all. Parents MUST take responsibility for their offspring. Hit the yobs (or ther parents if need be) in their pockets - MAKE them do without their blackberies etc and for that matter why do prisoners have so many privileges? Prison should be a punishment not a bloomin' holiday.

[Khandro]

@ All the negative posters on this thread I say; well, what do YOU suggest?

[Kromovaracun]

"during the war we had the bevan boys will these be known as camerons campers "

Kudos to you, Dr Filth. This made me laugh so hard I spurt my breakfast all over my laptop. :)

[Old_Geezer]

"what do YOU suggest?"

Well no one is foolish enough to claim to have a simple answer to a complex problem. Nor to suggest ridiculous ideas just because they are in government. But the way forward is to identify and tackles causes, not try some knee jerk, "We'll teach those scum a lesson", type activity.

Since there is a limit on how one can interfere in the personal life of individuals it is difficult to force parents to do a good job, but one can teach right from wrong at the schools. Yes ideally it would be better before age 4+ but one can only work with the opportunities available. Regardless of whether the teaching staff are keen or not it is there the main opportunity lies, to instil a sense of discipline and respect for others and the community. On its own it will be insufficient but it is necessary.

Then you have to investigate what makes an area lose its sense of community. To uncover exactly why some feel it is the right thing to do to destroy that which belongs to others and steal whatever they can grab. Attacking decent folk in the process. There needs to be local initiatives to tackle whatever is found.

Ultimately it is a long term project to convince generation after generation it needs to work for themselves and for the benefit of others, rather than destroy in frustration and greed. To understand they can improve their lot if they try, rather than decide they have nothing to aspire to.

That's probably enough for one post.

[tiggerblue10]

I like the Spy in the Laptop.... article.

[pa___ul3]

horseshoes.."look at the flotsam hanging around any town centre - drinking, spitting, swearing making the high streets unpleasant for all.".. they're usually the 40/50 odd year old alcoholics around here.
As for solving it, I think O_G has it in a nutshell, it's not something that we can fix now, it's a generational problem that's taken years to reach this level so will take years to fix.

[Khandro]

@ OG, I entirely agree with all you say except I don't believe the thinking behind the training scheme is "We'll teach those scum a lesson"; it can only be one of a raft of several initiatives.

[anotheoldgit]

DTcrosswordfan

/// if however they do see some change light, they will become corrupt politicians or BNP/ EDL members ///

Can't see any of the original rioters/looters, (the ones needing some national service) becoming BNP/EDL members.