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Are the new bulbs an EC con?
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http://www.express.co...r-energy-saving-bulbs
Do you go along with this latest condemnation of the 'new bulbs' or are they the best thing since sliced bread?
Do you go along with this latest condemnation of the 'new bulbs' or are they the best thing since sliced bread?
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I've had the same bulbs in my LR ceiling fixtures for over 5 years...not used all the time,but still good value. Other bulbs are lasting 3 years or more in the bathroom and bedrooms. So I have no complaints. As for dimness-I feel some of the comments sound like exaggeration-yes,they are a bit dim,but certainly cause no visual problems, or inconvenience.
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EDDIE51 As you probably know I work in a Dementia unit, all our lights in the bathrooms/toilets come on immediately you switch them on as they are compact fluorescent type, however just to confuse the already totally confused we have all the light switches on the>>outside of the doors<<, apparently in line with current legislation on new builds. Even the staff disappear into the loo and a second later you see a hand come out through the door to turn the light on. Those with severe dementia have no chance!!
We actually have these new lights in every room in the house and compact fluorescent lights in the corridors, we have no problems at all with them, we use 18W in the bedrooms and Multiple 23W clusters in the lounges and dining rooms.
We actually have these new lights in every room in the house and compact fluorescent lights in the corridors, we have no problems at all with them, we use 18W in the bedrooms and Multiple 23W clusters in the lounges and dining rooms.
Ann86 // Also do they make 60watt low energy candle (oval) bulbs does anyone know? //
Yes they use to. I have two . They are useless. The coating inside the bulb makes it even dimmer. Also they make them by putting the bulb over the spiral which naturally reduces the light further.
I don't know if they are still made. I won't be buying them.
Yes they use to. I have two . They are useless. The coating inside the bulb makes it even dimmer. Also they make them by putting the bulb over the spiral which naturally reduces the light further.
I don't know if they are still made. I won't be buying them.
Whether they are an actual con or not, it is clear that the justifications given are total nonsense, and the only conclusion I can think of for imposing this has to be to give an ego boost to those who can control the masses by dictating something, and having the perverted pleasure of forcing all to comply.
Arguments on efficiency ground create minimal justification since it has to assume all energy used that isn't converted to light is wasted. Which, of course, is nonsense. Domestically you turn a light on in the evening when it is cooler anyway, so the minimal amount of energy converted to heat is more likely to be useful. Especially since the nights are longer in the winter when heating is normally required. In commercial premises where they may need to remove heat during a summer day, then the chances are they use florescent lighting already.
The claim that the bulbs last longer is patently untrue. I used to buy decent quality incandescent bulbs, and they would last years. Would be amazed when one blew. I've had a number of these so called long life bulbs blow since they came in. And when they blow it is often with sparks as something screws up/shorts out in the control part. The only way one could conclude that last longer is if one compared to the cheap and nasty (and yet often curiously expensive) brands that seem to be all the shops are left with now.
And one can not seem to get a decent light output from them. Adequate is about the best you can get. Unless, maybe, one goes for the physically large size that would stick out of the lightshade and look awful.
Yes they do contain hazardous material that you should dispose of properly, although I understand the danger is minimal, and I really can't see many folk bothering. They fit in a bin easily enough.
This whole fiasco is a prime example of how the common folk are just pushed around for the fun of it these days, how despite thinking that society makes progress over the years, such incidents show we have not progressed as far as we'd like to think. All those involved in pushing this through oppressive legislation should hang their heads in shame, and go about making the U turn and allowing folk to chose the lighting of their choice, as should be the case. It is blatant government interference in things they should not be ruling on.
Arguments on efficiency ground create minimal justification since it has to assume all energy used that isn't converted to light is wasted. Which, of course, is nonsense. Domestically you turn a light on in the evening when it is cooler anyway, so the minimal amount of energy converted to heat is more likely to be useful. Especially since the nights are longer in the winter when heating is normally required. In commercial premises where they may need to remove heat during a summer day, then the chances are they use florescent lighting already.
The claim that the bulbs last longer is patently untrue. I used to buy decent quality incandescent bulbs, and they would last years. Would be amazed when one blew. I've had a number of these so called long life bulbs blow since they came in. And when they blow it is often with sparks as something screws up/shorts out in the control part. The only way one could conclude that last longer is if one compared to the cheap and nasty (and yet often curiously expensive) brands that seem to be all the shops are left with now.
And one can not seem to get a decent light output from them. Adequate is about the best you can get. Unless, maybe, one goes for the physically large size that would stick out of the lightshade and look awful.
Yes they do contain hazardous material that you should dispose of properly, although I understand the danger is minimal, and I really can't see many folk bothering. They fit in a bin easily enough.
This whole fiasco is a prime example of how the common folk are just pushed around for the fun of it these days, how despite thinking that society makes progress over the years, such incidents show we have not progressed as far as we'd like to think. All those involved in pushing this through oppressive legislation should hang their heads in shame, and go about making the U turn and allowing folk to chose the lighting of their choice, as should be the case. It is blatant government interference in things they should not be ruling on.
Old geezer Do I detect a slight bias in your assessment ?
Maybe you would care to comment on my experince. I have not had to replace a single low energy bulb in the past 3/4 years and I have 18 both inside, and outside as security bulbs. .
Whereas I used to replace many tungsten bulbs especially the four outside. they were all replaced 2/3 times every winter .
I also had several that shorted out and blew the fuses and others that dropped out of the brass cap/base . All my bulbs were from the top brands . I never bought those cheap imported packs.
You mentioned dimness after they had wamed up. I in fact measured the Lumen output and if you used the 18 or 23 watt ones there was no quantifiable difference. There is one. exception the bulb type i.e.not spiral are much dimmer. May I also point out many of your comments are disputed by many of the posts .
Your other rantings sound more political than factual and have little relevance to the question about the bulbs.
Maybe you would care to comment on my experince. I have not had to replace a single low energy bulb in the past 3/4 years and I have 18 both inside, and outside as security bulbs. .
Whereas I used to replace many tungsten bulbs especially the four outside. they were all replaced 2/3 times every winter .
I also had several that shorted out and blew the fuses and others that dropped out of the brass cap/base . All my bulbs were from the top brands . I never bought those cheap imported packs.
You mentioned dimness after they had wamed up. I in fact measured the Lumen output and if you used the 18 or 23 watt ones there was no quantifiable difference. There is one. exception the bulb type i.e.not spiral are much dimmer. May I also point out many of your comments are disputed by many of the posts .
Your other rantings sound more political than factual and have little relevance to the question about the bulbs.
And what is biased about describing personal experience and stating what seems to be obvious ?
If you have not had to replace a low energy bulb for 3 years then you have been very lucky indeed. If you do not find them to be dimmer, again you have been very lucky. I've yet to find a decent 100w replacement.
If my comments are disputed by other posts then I assume the other posts must be mistaken. I haven't read the other posts, I responded to the OP stating the situation as it is.
Politics is clearly an issue with this subject since the main issue is the politicians who are imposing on the rest of us; but everything I stated in my post was factual, and is totally relevant to the issue of light bulbs, as anyone reading must appreciate.
I have no idea what your intent is when you imply this is not so.
If you have not had to replace a low energy bulb for 3 years then you have been very lucky indeed. If you do not find them to be dimmer, again you have been very lucky. I've yet to find a decent 100w replacement.
If my comments are disputed by other posts then I assume the other posts must be mistaken. I haven't read the other posts, I responded to the OP stating the situation as it is.
Politics is clearly an issue with this subject since the main issue is the politicians who are imposing on the rest of us; but everything I stated in my post was factual, and is totally relevant to the issue of light bulbs, as anyone reading must appreciate.
I have no idea what your intent is when you imply this is not so.
Old-geezer
//I have no idea what your intent is when you imply this is not so.//
What a strange remark to make ! Just because someone thinks your post is biased , do they have to have a hidden intent .
Your whole post was heavily biased and totally ignored contradictory evidence including many AB posts.
eg. //The claim that the bulbs last longer is patently untrue//
That may be your experience but you can not say
// it is patently untrue// when it oibviously isn't. As other AB posts prove as well as world wide agreement that they do last much longer.
You appear to be saying the whole world is ganging up on the common folk. //This whole fiasco is a prime example of how the common folk are just pushed around for the fun of it these days//
What utter rubbish ! Why would they waste their time and effort on such a minor subject as low life bulbs.
//I have no idea what your intent is when you imply this is not so.//
What a strange remark to make ! Just because someone thinks your post is biased , do they have to have a hidden intent .
Your whole post was heavily biased and totally ignored contradictory evidence including many AB posts.
eg. //The claim that the bulbs last longer is patently untrue//
That may be your experience but you can not say
// it is patently untrue// when it oibviously isn't. As other AB posts prove as well as world wide agreement that they do last much longer.
You appear to be saying the whole world is ganging up on the common folk. //This whole fiasco is a prime example of how the common folk are just pushed around for the fun of it these days//
What utter rubbish ! Why would they waste their time and effort on such a minor subject as low life bulbs.
As I demonstrated in my earlier post, the saving in energy is absolutely trifling when compared to other far easier measures (e.g. keep your doors shut in winter) that would produce far greater savings.
So, “Why would they waste their time and effort on such a minor subject as low life bulbs”. Why indeed modeller. Unless Old_Geezer is right and the legislation has been introduced just to show us who the boss is. Because it certainly makes no sense to go to such lengths for such a pathetically insignificant outcome.
So, “Why would they waste their time and effort on such a minor subject as low life bulbs”. Why indeed modeller. Unless Old_Geezer is right and the legislation has been introduced just to show us who the boss is. Because it certainly makes no sense to go to such lengths for such a pathetically insignificant outcome.
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