What about our human rights?

[Bobbisox]

to walk the streets of London without being blown apart..

The sooner the Human Rights Act is raked over, the better!


http://www.mirror.co....ghts-115875-23427868/

[chrissa1]

Raked over Bobbi? It should be repealed!!

[Bobbisox]

I used raked over in case I was being un-pc Chrissa but something should be done about the silliness of this law

[chrissa1]

Yes, you've got to be so careful these days Bobbi. I might take you to court as you might have infringed my 'uman rights by expressing an opinion.

[ichkeria]

I don't think the "Human Rights Act" has anything to do with this case.
You may find this hard to believe, but I actually find it reassuring that we live in a country where the judiciary can make independent judgments - think of them what you will - even if this means that it causes a conflict with other consideration.
And as a matter of fact, it is worth considering whether he would not pose a greater risk to the UK - and other countries - were he to return to Somalia. Because who knows what might become of him then, or where else he might go. If he is that big a danger to the UK then presumably he will be monitored while here.

[jackthehat]

The Human Rights Act right is a fine piece of legislation, have you read it?

The application of it, at times, however, does seem to fly in the face of Common Sense, but that's the Judiciary for you.

[joeluke]

'he faced 'inhumane ­treatment or punishment'

So?

[Bobbisox]

*agree* jth

[ichkeria]

The thing is though that the judge has to rule on whether, in his opinion, this chap is in mortal danger if he returns to Somalia. That doesn't strike me as such an outrageous state of affairs.
Of course other bodies, such as UKBA, will see it differently. But, like I say, I find it reassuring that the judiciary can act independently. We really take that for granted a lot of the time. In many countries (Somalia I suspect included) it cannot.

[Bobbisox]

my point too JL, what about the inhumane treatment he was about to meter out?

[ichkeria]

"what about the inhumane treatment he was about to meter out? "

How do you know he was about to mete out inhumane treatment?

[Bobbisox]

so he was totally innocent you think?

[ladybirder]

Keep your enemies closer ..........

[ichkeria]

No he was not innocent of whatever he had done in the past, by the look of it, but what I am asking you is "how do you know he was going to mete out inhumane treatment (i.e. in the future).

I am not saying he shouldn't be sent back to Somalia. I'm not qualified to make that judgment - but I am saying that it is dangerous to wish away hard-won legislation like the HRA, and all the considerations like, it, on the back of the emotion of such cases.

[Bobbisox]

something to be said in that saying ladybirder :-)

[jake-the-peg]

Bobbi

The Human rights act only applies against the state.

All this "What about the human rights of the victim?" totally misses the point.

We have plenty of laws that protect people from other people - to hear some people rant you'd think murder was legal!


The act is there to protect vulnerable people against government


We don't need to repeal human rights legislation we need to extend it!

For example it has been used to protect vulnerable people in homes - but only state run homes, it couldn't be used in privately run OAP homes.

Of course stories like that don't make it to the Mirror much - they're too busy stoking the fires of righteous anger

[Bobbisox]

which is why I said "raked over" as opposed to demolished, there is obviously flaws in it like any other but as JTH has pointed out, it was the judges ruling in this case

[flump1]

Bobbi, it sure does need redefining . x

[Bobbisox]

yes it does flump...
I am even wary of what I write now,,,so bloody ridiculous, isn't it?

[sandyRoe]

One of the men who shot PC Sharon Beshenivsky fled to Somalia to try and escape justice. It can't be that bad or he wouldn't have gone back.

[jackthehat]

I don't think the ECHR applies to Answerbank........