They that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind

[anotheoldgit]

There couldn't be a more befitting saying.

http://www.dailymail....-legal-documents.html

/// Parts of the dossier come from registrar of St Paul’s, Nicholas Cottam, who wrote to a corporation official outlining the disruptions faced by the cathedral.///

The St Paul's officials should have thought of the consequences when they welcomed these lay-abouts with open arms.

And the council what can be said about them?

Providing toilets, rubbish bins and street cleaning operatives, all at the council tax payers, while at the same time spending a 'fortune' in legal costs.

You just couldn't make it up, it could only happen in this country, anywhere else the police would have moved in, and had them removed long ago.

[Zeuhl]

<<anywhere else the police would have moved in, and had them removed long ago. >>

Not really.

There have been over 200 such camps set-up across the World in the last few months.

Even the one in Wall St itself has only just been cleared despite US law having a 'protestors must keep moving' law.

So the whole premise of your question is incorrect.

[Messi_Ten]

I'm glad it could only happen here. Weren't you all wearing poppies last week to celebrate this freedom?

[Gladeian]

Is anyone really surprised at this revelation - and they purported to be decent well intentioned, professional people seeking to make a valid point? Well the facts speak for themselves - the usual bunch of bums and anarchists whom the Church of England, as represented by the usual load of wet luvvies promoted to high office, didnt have the ba||s to have evicted from from one of the most high profile religious buildings in the kingdom. Time to move in and forcibly evict them now.

[Zeuhl]

<<they purported to be decent well intentioned, professional people seeking to make a valid point? Well the facts speak for themselves - the usual bunch of bums and anarchists>>

Nothing like a bit of generalisation, assumptions and a few unsubstantiated photographs and reports to make a case is there?

<<You just couldn't make it up>>

Why not? The Daily Mail and other tabloid rags have made a business out of it.

[emmie]

Missi people wear the poppy as a mark of respect, and as a small contribution to the funds for the RBL to continue to do their good works. And i would say that those who have been protesting at St Paul's, wouldn't be in the front line come another major war, but sitting it out protesting about that war, and possible war crimes committed by British servicemen and women.

[Zeuhl]

<<And i would say that those who have been protesting at St Paul's, wouldn't be in the front line come another major war>>

And you know this how?

em your assumptions about people you don't know are, with all due respect, an insult to many of the people with similar political views to these people who sacrificed their lives in both World Wars, never mind those whose principles led them to fight the fascists in Spain.

[Gladeian]

So then Zeuhl - defecating in a cathedral and grounds, scratching and causing damage to the doors and using it as a place to abuse drugs is an expression of dissatisfaction with the way finances worldwide operate? I dont think so - they are scum and should be forcibly evicted - and if people speak of freedom to demonstrate does this really include the right to disgust and provoke people to whom places like St Pauls represent are so precious ?

[emmie]

zeuhl, firstly i have talked to any number of young people about this, one group of 16-18 year olds about six months ago, and watched any number of debates on TV about this subject, and the majority expressed the opinion that come a world war, they would not fight for Britain, so i am not damn well making it up as i go along. People with those views went to prison as conscientious objectors, or like the first world war, some went as stretcher bearers, but wouldn't take part in the fighting.

[emmie]

even Gandi, photo of him as stretcher bearer,
http://www.oldindianp...tretcher-bearers.html

[Zeuhl]

<<i have talked to any number of young people about this>>

What? of those camped at St Paul's? If not, I'm afraid your judgements are based on a many-layered assumption.

And are you asking us to believe that of the 'anti capitalists' from the 1930s (and there were many) none of them fought in WW2?

That's patently wrong.

[notasyoungasiwas]

What nationality are you Steve ?

[Zeuhl]

<<defecating in a cathedral and grounds, scratching and causing damage to the doors and using it as a place to abuse drugs is an expression of dissatisfaction with the way finances worldwide operate>>

So Gladein, you have evidence that all the people demonstrating are doing those things?

Where is it?

In fact where is the evidence that those actions were perpetrated by any of the protesters rather than the street dwellers normally found in that area?

Or is a bit of circumstantial evidence and a few unsustantiated photos taken by The Mail enough for you as it fits your existing prejudices?

[emmie]

zeuhl, yes also some of those down at St Pauls, though the subject of war, didn't come up, and i am sure it wouldn't be on their minds currently. But it seems to me some are professional protesters, move on from the likes of Dale Farm, and see what other cause they can join in. They should go now, they have made their stance, but not one that seems to carry any weight, if you can see Cameron down there, in a dialogue with them, then i would say they have achieved something, but i haven't seen that at all.

[notasyoungasiwas]

The people I have seen interviewed on TV who are camping at St Paul's seem decent enough, some middle aged, not all kids. They are not the type of people who will defecate in the ground and cause damage. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Zeuhl]

<<They should go now, they have made their stance>>

I agree. Their position worldwide (it is a worldwide 'movement') always seemed ill-defined to me.

Still no reason to muddy the water with this nonsense report from the idiots inside St Pauls sexed-up by The Daily Wail.

[notasyoungasiwas]

Because you call the English brain dead (which I object to) and your thread on Chatterbank with all those comments against the English. Although I'm hoping it's tounge in cheek !

[emmie]

anti capitalists abounded in the 1930's, the time of the great depression, and so it's not a new thing. But when your country is under threat, by forces that seem hell bent on chaos, death and destruction, you would fight, and if not, then there is something wrong with your perception of freedom, which isn't a given.

[giveup]

I went up to St Pauls on Remembrance Sunday to see for myself. I was shocked by the state of the place,the smell and there were all sorts of people selling things and begging. Its a lot worse than it looks on the T.V.