Is he going to be in trouble again.??

[webbo3]

Will J C be in trouble again after these comments.

http://news.uk.msn.co...-documentid=159976734



Dave.

[old-wos-is-name]

Just to say, that if the deceased is an older adult, it is not so bad for the emergency services.. My friend is an ambulance attendant/medic, and adult casualties He can deal with, but when its a child, He is absolutely torn apart, sad for many days, and when He is over it, He is " over the top" life and soul of the party type, and the reason for this is, I am sure,that He knows deep down that we are all living on a knife edge and the next call may be someone He knows, or even family. I really can't imagine trying to resusitate a child, and hope I never have to.

[stokemaveric]

i know of people [old colleagues] who have commited suicide,they could not deal with life on ''civvy street'' when they came out of the armed services...selfish???...in my eyes yes,but who knows what dark places the mind takes us to??? there for the grace of god go i...and most of us...

[boxtops]

well said stoke - anyone who's ever been clinically depressed would identify with that. I do.

[ummmm]

I just think that anyone who commits suicide is not in the frame of mind to consider how other people will be affected. You find much of the time they truly believe the world would be better without them. So to them, it's not a selfish act.

[daisya]

I totally agree with ummmm. If they were of the right frame of mind I'm sure they wouldn't carry out the act, so how would anyone expect them to be rational and consider what affect it would have on anyone else. They have tunnel vision and must be in such turmoil I doubt anything else is on their mind apart from their own misery.

[Lambert-Butler]

But it is painless as mash would have you know

[EDDIE51]

Somewhat off topic, but you very rarely hear of a USA suicide by jumping under a train. One side effect of the easy availability of guns in the USA.
As to Clarkson he is just playing to the media, he needs publicity to keep his profile up.

[ummmm]

Eddie - like I said earlier, this is not new news. He's stated his opinions on suicide etc many times over the years.

[boxtops]

following ummm and daisy's comments, yes, I'd agree - if you feel totally worthless (for whatever reason) you believe the world would be better off without you. You don't even think about the consequences for others - you think they won't notice, let alone mind.

[askyourgran]

No not selfish, they have to be in the depths of despair, absolute flat bottomed out, hurting so much that they believe that no-one or nothing in the world could ever be the same. I can't imagine what led Gary Speed to do that, he seemed to have everything.

[EDDIE51]

Meant to say that suicide is a lot more common in the USA as access to guns makes it so easy. Jumping under a train takes a lot more planning and thought. ( was going to say 'Guts' but possibly the wrong way to express the idea)

[atrollope]

His mate Cameron said the strikers were irresponsible,so like a dutiful puppy Clarkson took it one step further.Oh,he was such a clever boy,citing the need for "balance",this being the BBC,as a ruse to get to the real punchline.
But ultimately it was a selfish motive....Clarkson crass and insensitive on Prime time TV <shock horror>...= Big Book sales at Christmas....enjoy your books,folks......The bloke is a Cretin,and in this case,I certainly wouldnt say a harmless one.

[ummmm]

I have enjoyed all his books so far :-)

[RATTER15]

I agree that suicide is not a selfish act at all, it does take some understanding to see that though.

[atrollope]

....how had I already guessed that ummmm?

[shaneystar2]

I agree with atrollope
He's a Chipping Norton nob .
Camerons chum and a friend of the delightful Rebekah Brooks.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at one their dinner parties :)

[grffindoor2011]

people who throw themselves under trains or by other method are selfish, particularly if they have children. However, if you find yourself in that 'hole', you can forget even the basics of human emotion.

As far as Clarkson is concerned, it seems no one these days can make a comment without some fool being offended.

Unlike the weak celebrities who give in to the public, no-one will ever receive an apology from me for what i say if they don't like it.

[Kromovaracun]

As some of you might know, for a couple years I ran a confidential student listening service - essentially a mini-Samaritans kind of thing. Suicidal callers were rare but they were kind of an inevitable part of the service - there were always a few every year, and a not insignificant number who went through with it. One of my jobs as the guy running it was to obviously take the calls if I happened to be on shift, but also look after people who'd taken them and try to train people up for dealing with them.

I guess it's technically accurate to call suicide a 'selfish' act. You are just thinking of yourself - but there's a good reason for that. If you're at the point where you're considering suicide, it's because you're physically incapable of getting whatever is driving you to it out of your head - it stalks absolutely every thought. One call I took said they 'just wanted to stop thinking', which seemed to be a common feeling.

So my take is that Clarkson's not wrong to call it 'selfish', but his comments are still extremely crass and insensitive.

[anotheoldgit]

All part of being a celebrity, and that can include politicians, no matter what they say, the media will catch on to it and take it all out of context, so that it offends someone in the end.

[paddywak]

A friend of mine is a supervisor for Rail-track, a few years ago he was working at York when he was asked to go down to Peterborough and told that he could ride the footplate of a train as they needed him ASAP as they approached Newark there is a long fast straight and with somebody, a women as it turned, out was standing in the middle of the track. He told me it was the worst thing he'd ever seen the way she just stood there waiting while everybody on the footplate knew they'd done everything they could and there was no way the train would stop in time.