The man has been charged

[emmie]

the big man who got the student off the train recently has been charged with assault. What do reckon, right or not.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...gh-east-fife-16288101

[hc4361]

Did you see any evidence that he was going to, Elpus?

I didn't.

[emmie]

hasn't anyone sat on public transport with someone like that, and wished that someone would shove them off, i know i have.

[hc4361]

The student is also being charged.

The conductor did not follow proper procedure and aggravated the situation.

[hc4361]

And he could have paid for his ticket, which he apparently had done.

[emmie]

trig, don't be ridiculous, but he was foul mouthed, and it's odd to me that if someone in the limelight, say a footballer were to swear like that at a ref, he would be fined, or get a match ban.

[emmie]

there seems to be some confusion over the ticket issue, if it was right he had one, why did the conductor ask him about it.

[hc4361]

But the conductor is not allowed by law to manhandle a passenger off the train.
Nor is a fellow passenger.

There are proper procedures which weren't followed.

It is right the youth is being charged, his behaviour was appalling, but it is also right 'the big man' is charged with assault.

[emmie]

Trig, I have been on buses with people like that, and it's ugly.
myself and some passengers got a bloke off the bus once, at a stop, not thrown in the road, but he was abusive to everyone, including the driver.

[pa___ul3]

I think half the problem here is what's considered assault! He grabbed him by his jacket and shoved him off the train, he's hardly given him a clout!! You see parents 'man handling' 3 year olds having tantrums in exactly the same manner!

[emmie]

Paul, i have seen parents smack their children so hard that they were left in flood of tears, and you could say that was abuse, and i have remonstrated with the parent, to be greeted with a torrent of abuse, so i generally keep my own counsel these days.

[ojread2]

Is it any wonder kids behave like this anyway when it's (apparently) the father who reported it to the police because his darling little Johnny was removed from the train?

If I were that yobs mother or father I'd be ashamed to own up to it

[emmie]

Oj, it would seem that it was the father who reported the matter. Perhaps they are after some compensation...

[anotheoldgit]

pa___ul3

Agree, and perhaps if the students parents had behave towards him in such a way, when he was a three year old, perhaps we would not be having this debate today.

[hc4361]

It hadn't passed me by, Elpus but nobody can lawfully act in case a person MIGHT do something, not in the UK anyway.

[emmie]

AOG, violence begets violence, if you whack your kids, the chances are fair, they will do it to theirs, ad infinitum

[NOX]

The lad was a total ar5e, but that does not give anyone the right to chuck him about and injure him and I'm personally glad that the so called ' big man' has been charged since he struck me as an interfering bully and as has been said before the whole incident could have been handled properly so there was no drama at all if the guard had done his job properly. If you allow behaviour like the 'big man's' to stand then it's basically a carte blanche for any memeber of the public to behave in anyway they see fit because they don't like what someone else is doing- and that is never a good thing.