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This may all ready have been answered but Ive not seen it.....
Can someone explain to me why this wasnt a "racist attack" but the Steven Laurence attack was??
Both were vicious cowardly attacks but with only 2 differences as far as I can see.... 1/ one sadly ended in the death of an innocent person and the other one didnt. 2/ one attack was carried out by a group of white people and the other a group of black people.
In both cases the attackers used racist abuse. And both could quite easily have ended up with the death of an innocent victim.
So as far as I can see the Steven Laurence case is no more racist than this case.
So no matter how hard black people try, is it only white people who can be racist???
Can someone explain to me why this wasnt a "racist attack" but the Steven Laurence attack was??
Both were vicious cowardly attacks but with only 2 differences as far as I can see.... 1/ one sadly ended in the death of an innocent person and the other one didnt. 2/ one attack was carried out by a group of white people and the other a group of black people.
In both cases the attackers used racist abuse. And both could quite easily have ended up with the death of an innocent victim.
So as far as I can see the Steven Laurence case is no more racist than this case.
So no matter how hard black people try, is it only white people who can be racist???
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i believe most people would agree that racism cuts across all boundaries, colours, as to that case, wasn't it put forward by their counsel that the women are all Muslims and don't usually drink, so was used as an excuse that they weren't used to drinking for their vile behaviour. I would say it was a race hate filled crime, but the law seemed to think otherwise.
Yes already discussed.
http://www.theanswerb.../Question1082902.html
And one did end in a killing.
http://www.theanswerb.../Question1082133.html
http://www.theanswerb.../Question1082902.html
And one did end in a killing.
http://www.theanswerb.../Question1082133.html
If racial abuse was used and if the primary reason for the attack was because of a difference in race between the attackers and the victim, then clearly, it's a racist attack, and should have been treated as such.
"black on white attacks,it seems, are rarely reported,or are swept under the carpet..."
What utter botox.
"black on white attacks,it seems, are rarely reported,or are swept under the carpet..."
What utter botox.
rojash
/// If racial abuse was used and if the primary reason for the attack was because of a difference in race between the attackers and the victim, then clearly, it's a racist attack, and should have been treated as such. ///
Interesting that, how can it be deemed a racist attack if nothing racist is said before the attack, and yet there have been plenty of such attacks that have been classed as racist?
On the other hand if one attacks another just because they don't like that person for a number of personal reasons, would that also be a racist attack?.
/// If racial abuse was used and if the primary reason for the attack was because of a difference in race between the attackers and the victim, then clearly, it's a racist attack, and should have been treated as such. ///
Interesting that, how can it be deemed a racist attack if nothing racist is said before the attack, and yet there have been plenty of such attacks that have been classed as racist?
On the other hand if one attacks another just because they don't like that person for a number of personal reasons, would that also be a racist attack?.
It is clear this was an attack by asian women on this white couple, but that does not automatically mean the attack was racist.
It is clear something happened before the CCTV tape begins, as the two groups must have passed each other minutes earlier. The asian women ran back and targeted the girl. Probably something was said or done beforehand that we do not see on the tape. That is not excusing the vicious assault, But just drunken people falling out.
It has been established that the Asian women were drunk, but the white couple appear to also be drunk. In court it was admitted that the male had acted violently but no charges of assault were levelled at him.
Judging by the lenient charges and sentences, my guess is that this was six of one and half a dozen of the other. P*ssed up people fighting each other like they do every weekend. And not much to do with race.
It is clear something happened before the CCTV tape begins, as the two groups must have passed each other minutes earlier. The asian women ran back and targeted the girl. Probably something was said or done beforehand that we do not see on the tape. That is not excusing the vicious assault, But just drunken people falling out.
It has been established that the Asian women were drunk, but the white couple appear to also be drunk. In court it was admitted that the male had acted violently but no charges of assault were levelled at him.
Judging by the lenient charges and sentences, my guess is that this was six of one and half a dozen of the other. P*ssed up people fighting each other like they do every weekend. And not much to do with race.
Gromit
"During the hearing, James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed, who started the violence, had called Miss Page a "white bitch" during the incident".
http://www.telegraph....-attack-on-woman.html
"During the hearing, James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed, who started the violence, had called Miss Page a "white bitch" during the incident".
http://www.telegraph....-attack-on-woman.html
Exdc
That may be so, but the primary reason for the attack may not have been race. Drunken young women scrap all the time and verbal abuse takes place. Calling someone a white *** is racist, but attacking someone for some abuse they may have called them isn't.
I am sure there is some event here before the CCTV starts. It was that event which made the drunken asian women attack.
That may be so, but the primary reason for the attack may not have been race. Drunken young women scrap all the time and verbal abuse takes place. Calling someone a white *** is racist, but attacking someone for some abuse they may have called them isn't.
I am sure there is some event here before the CCTV starts. It was that event which made the drunken asian women attack.
If two motorists bumped into each other and the drivers began to argue, then it is not a racist attack, the primary reason for the disagreement is not race. If during their arguement, one called the other a dozy black b*stard, or a dozy white b*stard, it would still not be a racist attack.
None of the newspaper reports explains why the attack took place. The Women were not prosecuted for a hate crime. The Judge made no reference to any race element.
Meanwhile, I found this which wasn't reported by the Mail or Sun...
// The Federation of Muslim Organisations deplores in the strongest terms the case of four Somali girls attacking support worker Rhea Page, in which they were found guilty and handed suspended sentences (Mercury, November 24).
We condemn violence of any kind, especially mindless acts such as this, when a gang set upon a defenceless victim who herself works to support some of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged people in society.
Alcohol is strictly prohibited in Islam and so the alcohol-fuelled behaviour of these girls is a total contradiction to the teachings of Islam.
The behaviour exhibited by the guilty parties has no relation to the behaviour of the general Muslim or Somali community who have worked hard and continue to do so to integrate into British society to make an invaluable contribution to the success of our nation.
Drunken, yobbish and violent behaviour has no place in our society and our thoughts go out to Rhea Page, who we hope makes a quick recovery so that she can continue the excellent work she is doing for the good of humanity.
I echo her sentiments about the final judgement passed on the case. I would also like to acknowledge the role of the police in this case.
Suleman Nagdi, Spokesman for Federation of Muslim Organisations. //
None of the newspaper reports explains why the attack took place. The Women were not prosecuted for a hate crime. The Judge made no reference to any race element.
Meanwhile, I found this which wasn't reported by the Mail or Sun...
// The Federation of Muslim Organisations deplores in the strongest terms the case of four Somali girls attacking support worker Rhea Page, in which they were found guilty and handed suspended sentences (Mercury, November 24).
We condemn violence of any kind, especially mindless acts such as this, when a gang set upon a defenceless victim who herself works to support some of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged people in society.
Alcohol is strictly prohibited in Islam and so the alcohol-fuelled behaviour of these girls is a total contradiction to the teachings of Islam.
The behaviour exhibited by the guilty parties has no relation to the behaviour of the general Muslim or Somali community who have worked hard and continue to do so to integrate into British society to make an invaluable contribution to the success of our nation.
Drunken, yobbish and violent behaviour has no place in our society and our thoughts go out to Rhea Page, who we hope makes a quick recovery so that she can continue the excellent work she is doing for the good of humanity.
I echo her sentiments about the final judgement passed on the case. I would also like to acknowledge the role of the police in this case.
Suleman Nagdi, Spokesman for Federation of Muslim Organisations. //
"If two motorists bumped into each other and the drivers began to argue, then it is not a racist attack, the primary reason for the disagreement is not race. If during their arguement, one called the other a dozy black b*stard, or a dozy white b*stard, it would still not be a racist attack".
Your example would be a racially aggravated 'incident' in accordance with UK Law.
Racially aggravated offences are offences where the offender shows or is driven by racial hostility They are offences where, at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates hostility towards the victim based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial group; Or the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial group based on their membership of that group.
Your example would be a racially aggravated 'incident' in accordance with UK Law.
Racially aggravated offences are offences where the offender shows or is driven by racial hostility They are offences where, at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates hostility towards the victim based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial group; Or the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial group based on their membership of that group.
The CPS issued a statement to the effect that they had no realistic prospect in securing a prosecution for a racially aggravated offence because they could not prove which of the suspects uttered the racist remark.
"The CPS reviewed all the evidence in this case, including whether a racially aggravated offence should be brought on the basis that the comment ‘white bitch’ was reported to have been heard during the incident. However, this racist comment could not be attributed to any particular suspect and was not adopted by the group as a whole. There was therefore no realistic prospect of conviction for a racially aggravated offence."
http://blog.cps.gov.u...ed-and-ifran-nur.html
"The CPS reviewed all the evidence in this case, including whether a racially aggravated offence should be brought on the basis that the comment ‘white bitch’ was reported to have been heard during the incident. However, this racist comment could not be attributed to any particular suspect and was not adopted by the group as a whole. There was therefore no realistic prospect of conviction for a racially aggravated offence."
http://blog.cps.gov.u...ed-and-ifran-nur.html
Hi Gromit
There is one case law
n DPP v Woods (2002) EWHC 85, the defendant used racially abusive language to a doorman at a nightclub when expressing anger and frustration over being refused admission. It was held, as in McFarlane, that the fact that the primary reason for the offence was other than a racist motivation, the use of racist abuse during the commission of the basic offence made out the test for racial aggravation in section 28(1)(a). The point was made that, ordinarily, the use of racially (or religiously) insulting remarks would, in the normal course of events, be enough to establish a demonstration of hostility
There is one case law
n DPP v Woods (2002) EWHC 85, the defendant used racially abusive language to a doorman at a nightclub when expressing anger and frustration over being refused admission. It was held, as in McFarlane, that the fact that the primary reason for the offence was other than a racist motivation, the use of racist abuse during the commission of the basic offence made out the test for racial aggravation in section 28(1)(a). The point was made that, ordinarily, the use of racially (or religiously) insulting remarks would, in the normal course of events, be enough to establish a demonstration of hostility
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