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if it was ever needed, if this person was on a bike he would probably be in jail and his bike would have been confiscated and crushed
one for the rich one for the working class
money man gets to keep his car once his short ban is up
http://www.dailymail....47mph-round-golf.html
one for the rich one for the working class
money man gets to keep his car once his short ban is up
http://www.dailymail....47mph-round-golf.html
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Birdie is quite right. Although Magistrates have the power to do so, vehicles (cars or bikes) are not seized and crushed – or sold - routinely (if ever) for the offence of speeding. Further, one cannot be sent to prison for speeding no matter what the speed or how many convictions the driver has.
The maximum fine for speeding (on a road other than a motorway) is £1,000. Although Magistrates have the power to impose a life ban for any motoring offence, their guidelines for speeding suggest a ban of up to 56 days for speeds up to 110mph (which is high as the guidelines go). So, having to think beyond their guidelines, a 9 month ban does not seem unduly lenient, nor does the fine.
There seems to be a general opinion that Magistrates tend to be lenient when dealing with “well heeled” defendants. There is no evidence to support this. It also needs to be borne in mind that Magistrates (and judges) are obliged by law to sentence in accordance with the sentencing guidelines. Should they use their discretion to go outside their guidelines they have to give valid reasons in open court. Magistrates in particular are kept on the straight and narrow by the court’s legal advisor who will ensure that valid reasons for departure from the guidelines exist and are cited in court.
The maximum fine for speeding (on a road other than a motorway) is £1,000. Although Magistrates have the power to impose a life ban for any motoring offence, their guidelines for speeding suggest a ban of up to 56 days for speeds up to 110mph (which is high as the guidelines go). So, having to think beyond their guidelines, a 9 month ban does not seem unduly lenient, nor does the fine.
There seems to be a general opinion that Magistrates tend to be lenient when dealing with “well heeled” defendants. There is no evidence to support this. It also needs to be borne in mind that Magistrates (and judges) are obliged by law to sentence in accordance with the sentencing guidelines. Should they use their discretion to go outside their guidelines they have to give valid reasons in open court. Magistrates in particular are kept on the straight and narrow by the court’s legal advisor who will ensure that valid reasons for departure from the guidelines exist and are cited in court.
birdie1971 >>
Are you suggesting that a motorcyclist caught doing this speed would have his bike confiscated and crushed?
As an ex-cop I have never heard of this other than when a motorcycle is ceased due to the rider having no insurance.
Please enlighten me. <<
as with lots of new articles some are removed from the web after time but here are some to read
>.
A motorcycle mechanic caught overtaking on the brow of
a hill by a policeman on an unmarked Suzuki Hayabusa
in a 139 mph chase has been jailed for 12 months “as
an example” to others.
Judge Roger Thorn, QC, said David Saxby warranted
jailing for his dangerous riding and “arrogant” attitude to
the police officer that stopped him at Fridaythorpe bikers
café in Humberside.
the motorcyclist Robert Bennett, 47, was jailed for six months
at Exeter Crown Court for doing 122mph on his motorbike
At Aylesbury Crown Court, Robert Mark Owens, 48,
of Whaddon Way, Bletchley, Milton Keynes, admitted
dangerous driving and was banned for five years.
He used a helmet-mounted camera to record himself
on four occasions in April 2011.
In addition to the ban and suspended sentence Owens
was told at the court sitting in Amersham that he must
complete 150 hours community work, his bike has been
confiscated and he has been given 10 points on his
licence. <<
it was reported that Robert Bennett had his bike confiscated but i am unable to find this printed in a newspaper report
Robert Owens as you can read above had his bike confiscated
>> his bike has been
confiscated and he has been given 10 <<
Are you suggesting that a motorcyclist caught doing this speed would have his bike confiscated and crushed?
As an ex-cop I have never heard of this other than when a motorcycle is ceased due to the rider having no insurance.
Please enlighten me. <<
as with lots of new articles some are removed from the web after time but here are some to read
>.
A motorcycle mechanic caught overtaking on the brow of
a hill by a policeman on an unmarked Suzuki Hayabusa
in a 139 mph chase has been jailed for 12 months “as
an example” to others.
Judge Roger Thorn, QC, said David Saxby warranted
jailing for his dangerous riding and “arrogant” attitude to
the police officer that stopped him at Fridaythorpe bikers
café in Humberside.
the motorcyclist Robert Bennett, 47, was jailed for six months
at Exeter Crown Court for doing 122mph on his motorbike
At Aylesbury Crown Court, Robert Mark Owens, 48,
of Whaddon Way, Bletchley, Milton Keynes, admitted
dangerous driving and was banned for five years.
He used a helmet-mounted camera to record himself
on four occasions in April 2011.
In addition to the ban and suspended sentence Owens
was told at the court sitting in Amersham that he must
complete 150 hours community work, his bike has been
confiscated and he has been given 10 points on his
licence. <<
it was reported that Robert Bennett had his bike confiscated but i am unable to find this printed in a newspaper report
Robert Owens as you can read above had his bike confiscated
>> his bike has been
confiscated and he has been given 10 <<
compare the biker with this car driver
How is this for double standards?!
>> scunthorpe evening telegraph that the Earl of yarborough
has been banned from driving after hitting speeds 125mph in his bmw 750i on the a1.
He admitted speeding near the cambridgeshire town of huntington november 27. lord
charles pelham 45 and is said to be worth 70-million was fined £600 and banned
from driving for 90 days <<
How is this for double standards?!
>> scunthorpe evening telegraph that the Earl of yarborough
has been banned from driving after hitting speeds 125mph in his bmw 750i on the a1.
He admitted speeding near the cambridgeshire town of huntington november 27. lord
charles pelham 45 and is said to be worth 70-million was fined £600 and banned
from driving for 90 days <<
lets look at what the papers say
>> and it has a top speed of 220mph. But I hold my hands
up. I was doing 122mph on that road and that was dangerous,
especially with my lad on board.' ( mail)
Bennett, whose motorcycle has a top speed of around 200mph,
was travelling at more than twice the 60mph speed limit.
(telegraph)
'At the time you were doing 122 miles an hour in a 60 limit, the
road was wet and you were on a bend.
noway did he say all the crap, the bike will do just over 190 out of the crate
no one goes round a bend at 122mph sitting upright
ask any biker if they will sit upright going round a bend
the only broken law was speeding
Ignorance is legal, but the law should never be allowed to judge using drama.
>> and it has a top speed of 220mph. But I hold my hands
up. I was doing 122mph on that road and that was dangerous,
especially with my lad on board.' ( mail)
Bennett, whose motorcycle has a top speed of around 200mph,
was travelling at more than twice the 60mph speed limit.
(telegraph)
'At the time you were doing 122 miles an hour in a 60 limit, the
road was wet and you were on a bend.
noway did he say all the crap, the bike will do just over 190 out of the crate
no one goes round a bend at 122mph sitting upright
ask any biker if they will sit upright going round a bend
the only broken law was speeding
Ignorance is legal, but the law should never be allowed to judge using drama.
Dr Filth -
I think you are deliberately misunderstanding my post and others. You've posted several (unlinked) cases which actually undermine your initial assertion. You must understand that the offence of doing 140mph on a dual carriageway is not the same as doing 140mph on a rural road near the brow of a hill. Whilst the speeds are the same, the relative danger to both driver/rider and other road users is significantly different in each scenario. This is reflected in the punishments handed down by the court.
I really can't be bothered to pick the quite obvious holes in your other cited cases. Suffice to say they are numerous and obvious if you care to look.
You sound to me like a disgruntled biker with a chip on his shoulder.
I think you are deliberately misunderstanding my post and others. You've posted several (unlinked) cases which actually undermine your initial assertion. You must understand that the offence of doing 140mph on a dual carriageway is not the same as doing 140mph on a rural road near the brow of a hill. Whilst the speeds are the same, the relative danger to both driver/rider and other road users is significantly different in each scenario. This is reflected in the punishments handed down by the court.
I really can't be bothered to pick the quite obvious holes in your other cited cases. Suffice to say they are numerous and obvious if you care to look.
You sound to me like a disgruntled biker with a chip on his shoulder.
notice in the video the unmarked police bike at 2-40 says he just missed another bike when in fact it is the policeman who just missed the other bike
at 3-39 he says under taking traffic all the time the policeman is doing the same
if it is so dangerous why is the policeman doing the same on an unmarked bike with no flashing lights
at 3-39 he says under taking traffic all the time the policeman is doing the same
if it is so dangerous why is the policeman doing the same on an unmarked bike with no flashing lights
http://news.bbc.co.uk...hropshire/4559173.stm
>> Kevin Clinton, head of road safety, said: "Police are governed
by health and safety laws just the same as any other employer.
"We don't believe 159mph can ever be justified on public roads.
"Even in emergencies we consider that driving at 100mph or
more is too dangerous."
But the Police Federation defended the driving of Pc Milton,
who is also known to have travelled at 120mph in a 60mph
zone and at more than 60mph in a 30mph zone. <<
>> Kevin Clinton, head of road safety, said: "Police are governed
by health and safety laws just the same as any other employer.
"We don't believe 159mph can ever be justified on public roads.
"Even in emergencies we consider that driving at 100mph or
more is too dangerous."
But the Police Federation defended the driving of Pc Milton,
who is also known to have travelled at 120mph in a 60mph
zone and at more than 60mph in a 30mph zone. <<
