Are the bigots in a dilemma?

[JimT]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...d-derbyshire-16985147

Our resident right-wing bigots must be in a real tangle over this. They hate muslims, but they hate gays too. But the muslims hate gays, so that's good, isn't it? But muslims being imprisoned, well that must be good too mustn't it? Oh but they're imprisoned because of hating gays, so isn't it bad that gay-haters are imprisoned.... but it's MUSLIMS hating gays, so that's good, but... With any luck, with their tiny brains being twisted into a knot, all the bigots will implode.

Also amusing on news sites to see gay-haters having to take sides and adjust their prejudices on this occasion so they can revel in the imprisonment of muslims. There are some comments vitriolically condemning islam for its homophobia - from homophobics who the rest of the time villify gays for being unnatural and are usually one step away from being gay-bashers themselves.

[rov1100]

I often wonder why there are no Gays in the Muslim community or are they hiding in the closet?

[Old_Geezer]

I don't see that they'd have a dilemma. There is no choice to make. If those you are against fight amongst themselves, that's ok for you isn't it ?

[emmie]

rov, there are gays in the Muslim community, however the man or woman would be largely castigated or worse if it were known. So that perhaps is why they don't come out of the closet.

[anotheoldgit]

em10

/// there are gays in the Muslim community, however the man or woman would be largely castigated or worse if it were known.///

Agreed, so we can take it that it is not just extremist Muslims who are homophobic, as some would have us believe, it is all Muslims.

[naomi24]

//so we can take it that it is not just extremist Muslims who are homophobic, as some would have us believe, it is all Muslims. //

It can't be all Muslims - it's already been established that some Muslims are gay. ;o)

[anotheoldgit]

Our resident 'Left-Wing Bigot', JimT, with his 'tiny brain' must be in a right tangle over this.

He tries to make out he is a lover of Muslims, and also a lover of homosexuals, but then lets his 'Left'-Wing' principle of being a lover of all humanity slip away, simply because of his inbred bigoted hatred of anyone 'Right-Wing'.

It is also obvious by the content of his post, that he would rather take the opportunity of the case against these Muslim 'Gay Bashers' just to have a dig at Right-Wingers, instead of condemning these particular Muslims for their homophobic actions.

Let's hope they get to know a little more about homosexuality during their term in prison, but judging by the look of them, I don't think those inside would be in the least bit attracted towards them.

[d9f1c7]

the real bigots are the left, try disagreeing with one, ouch!

[flip_flop]

Have just re-read my thread and I don't think the first paragraph makes a great deal of sense (it was early!), so have re-worded it as follows:

It is similar to the anomaly a few years ago when left wingers were showing their support for Hamas because of Israel's actions at the time, even though Hamas was/is hugely homophobic, mysogynistic and delights in torture and terrorism.

On the one hand you have an organisation that hates gays and women, and on the other hand the same organisation also hates Israel.

As Israel is anathema to the left, it must have tied their tiny brains into a knot!

JimT has been quiet.

[JimT]

Thanks everyone for an entertaining (if preposterous in one or two cases) set of responses. Always love how people bristle at the suggestion there are bigots on AB - when on an almost daily basis there are openly anti-muslim and anti-homosexual posts.

One change I'd possibly make to my OP: to remove the phrase 'right wing'. Even though the islamophobic and homophobic posts on this board tend to come from people with generally right-wing views on other subjects, I'd have to concede that left-wingers can easily be prejudiced and bigoted on some of those very same things. And yes no doubt the more tiny-minded among them will indeed have had their brains twisted into a pretzel on certain matters, as pointed out above.

Interesting though - if you are not prejudiced against either gays or muslims then you'd have no reason to bristle with righteousness in this thread. If you are right wing, but not a prejudiced bigot on race, religion or sexuality then rest easy, I wasn't referring to you. If you are ANY "wing" but hate muslims and gays then yes I am referring to you.

[sith123]

thank you boxtops and em :)

Naomi read this: http://muslimvoices.org/word-islam-meaning/

it means both, peace and submission. Yes, the word itself means submission, but the word salam means peace. If you submit yourself to something you are at peace.

[sith123]

oh yeah, and thanks dt crossword fan:)

[naomi24]

Sith, we're not talking about 'salam'. We're talking about 'Islam' - and however you want to twist it about, it simply means 'submission'.

[anotheoldgit]

Nothing wrong with being 'anti Muslim/Islam'.

If it is ok the be anti Roman Catholic, anti Church of England, anti Jehovah Witness, anti Mormon, anti religious full stop, or even anti Atheist.

Then why is a person shown to be a bigot, when they mention being anti Muslim?

[sp1814]

Lord_Elpus

You wrote:

"Would you care to name any of theses so called bigots, because I'm not aware of any.

Or are you just referring to people on here that dont share your views, and that you want to impose on them."

Bigots are people who say that gay people should burn in and/or should be put to death.

Christians and Muslims are in the forefront of gay hate.

Hope that clarifies it.

It's not people who may disagree with one's point of view - its people for whom your point of view is irrelevent because even if you didn't exist, they would still be consumed with hate.

[sith123]

naomi did you read the link i put up? did you read what i wrote? It is clear that if you submit yourself to something than you are at peace. The root word of islam is alsaalam, this means peace.

and even if islam did not mean peace, than what is your point? that muslims are bigots? You cannot blame the religion. You can only blame the few people who practice it in the wrong way. and that does not only refer to islam, it refers to everything. other religions, groups even in everyday things.

[naomi24]

Sith, //even if islam did not mean peace, than what is your point?//

Please don't put words into my mouth. The only point I've made is that 'Islam' does not mean peace. It means 'submission'. To claim otherwise, as you have done, is misleading.

[sith123]

naomi, no offence but you have just contradicted yourself there lol.

Sith, //even if islam did not mean peace, than what is your point?//

Please don't put words into my mouth. The only point I've made is that 'Islam' does not mean peace//

Youve just said exactly what i said. than you say im lost lol. Go on, think of another clever comeback or point, because to be honest even though you thing its going to make me confused or give up it wont. It just makes me more eager to contribute and im actually rather enjoying it ;)

[naomi24]

Sith, Good grief! This is ridiculous! Still, patience.

Right. Let me explain. Can you see the marks around those words I typed that look so familiar to you? They look like this… // … and there’s one set at each end of that sentence.

That means I’m quoting you. They are YOUR words - not mine. I copied and pasted them so that you would know what the rest of my post refers to which is common practice around here.

I'm rapidly reaching the conclusion that nothing could make you more confused than you already are.

[sith123]

Sith, //even if islam did not mean peace, than what is your point?//

naomi, this may suprise you like everything, but i know these are my words. i wrote them for gods sake!
Please don't put words into my mouth. The only point I've made is that 'Islam' does not mean peace// These are your words which i have copied.

//Youve just said exactly what i said// i said this. It makes perfect sense to me so i do not see what is the problem :/

[sith123]

or are you confused?