Yet another typical example of Britain in 2012

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....estaurant-toilet.html

Are we not learning anything from the actions of some of our young, what is the answer to prevent these increasing vile actions, what is the reason for it, do youngsters know far too much about sex these days?

Don't anyone dare say "it is no different now to what it was in the past" or that old chestnuts, "these sort of things are more reported than they were in the past".

What we need are answers, not excuses.

[d9f1c7]

I know there's not much new under the sun but I think this does represent a new level of savagery.

[Mick-Talbot]

Typical ?

[Sqad]

\\\\Don't anyone dare say "it is no different now to what it was in the past" or that old chestnuts, "these sort of things are more reported than they were in the past". \\\\

OR

"looking at the old days through rose tinted spectacles"

UK today is in a state of denial..............NHS is fine, Education is fine our transport system is fine..............

I do not know the answer to your post.

[Old_Geezer]

Knowing how to do something and opting to do it even when it is wrong to do so are different things. I don't think it reasonable to blame knowledge to such actions. The crux of the problem is one of inability to know right from wrong and act accordingly. Are we saying that 13 to 15 year olds can not understand the severity of what they do ? I'm sure understanding and responsibility increases with age but one would hope such a server transgression would be known to be wrong by all.

Ultimately it is a case of bringing folk up correctly, and noting those who have mental issues with understanding respect for others and the need to curb ones wilder desires. To be aware when a child is proving unable to empathise and act accordingly and find ways to cope/treat the problem.

Oh and it's still the case that atrocities have always occurred so it's not a simple case of 2012 being the oddball time in history.

[Old_Geezer]

Please ignore the irritating typos, this pace still has no edit facility.

[Old_Geezer]

Or *PLACE* even !
>:-( Darn this lack of edit really annoys me sometimes, like once an hour or so.

[naomi24]

OG, I would suggest you type your answer in a Word document where you have all the facilities you might need - and then when you're happy with it, copy and paste it into AB. (Sorry for the interruption, AOG).

[237SJ]

They weren`t gangs of children though...

[Old_Geezer]

It makes no difference, proof read a million times and something still slips through.

[Mick-Talbot]

TYPICAL AOG ...... where is he ?

[sp1814]

Are we not learning anything from the actions of some of our young

It would appear that what a small minority of young people are doing is viewing vulnerable girls as 'easy game'. What we *should* learn from this is that we now have an overly sexualised teenage population, where sex is something of a sport - and more worrying is the 'gang bang' mentality. Is this something that's trickled down from the stories of our football players and 'roasting'?

What is the answer to prevent these increasing vile actions?

Kids in school should have it made clear to them, via police visits and a public awareness campaign that if they are convicted of such crimes they will a) be jailed b) be classed as paedophiles c) have to spend a number of year on the sex offedders register d) be subject to all the social stigma that comes with a, b and c...especially b).

Do youngsters know far too much about sex these days?

Yes, and whilst I am loathe to tar all kids with the same brush, there *does* appear to be too many who know too much about sex...and very little about love.

Adults should bear some responsibility for promoting this atmosphere of sexual abandon. Relationships that last months, marriages that last days, and all for the front pages of Heat and Closer.

<rant over>

[sp1814]

For 'offedders' read 'offenders'.

I too should be using Word to proof read/spell check my posts.

[andy-hughes]

This crime has little to do with sex, and a lot to do with power, as advised by 2shortplanks. Rape is never about sex, it's about robbery with violence.

This is the pinacle of a malaise in our society where children are not taught to respect themselves, or each other, and in that issue does lie the problem of indiscriminate sexual activity because children learn little of love and affection, and how these are expressed in context.

The issue of parental responsibility is fundamental to these problems. We have one, and another coming up generation of people who have no parenting skills. the extended family which used to reinforce appropriate behaviour and respect is virtually defunct, and society is adrift with no real sense of direction.

I wish I did know what the solution was - but what I do know is that it is a multi-facted issue, with no one simple solution to be put in place.

The reason for this type of crume? A need to 'belong' fosters the gang culture, leading to a disproprtionate idea of what 'respect' really is.

The government's wilful neglect of funding for nursery education - where these behaviours can be discouraged, and respect and belonging can be fostered - has a massive amount of responsiobility fot the problems of young people in later life. if they could ditch the obsession that everyone wants to go to university - they don't - and put the money into proper pre-school and early-school care where chikdren are taught right from wrong, which they so badly need - we would see the next generation with the attitudes so sorely lacking in this one.

[anotheoldgit]

Some very good answers, with some good reasons why our children are what they are, but has this been a gradual decline in morals, or just the make-up of today's young?

Going back to uncivilised times, when humankind was much more vicious than it is today, their children never acted in such a way, could the decline in religion be one reason, for this transformation.

The atheists amongst us may pour scorn on this, but was it wrong for us to be 'God fearing, Men, Women, and Children?

Did it go a certain way in keeping our morals in check?

[New Judge]

You're quite right about lack of respect, Andy. What I find strange is the very creatures that show such an alarming lack of respect for others and their property are the very people that crave it for themselves and put all their wrongdoings down to not being afforded "nuff respek, innit".

[andy-hughes]

Indeed new Judge - the word, and the concept have been hi-jacked by the hyper-sensitive egocentric yobs of today as an excuse for their vile antics.

If we could educate a generation that respect has to be earned and given before it is received, and that it is the right of everyone, not just a (self) chosen few, we woule be on our way to healing the wounds that blight all of us.