Strands#265 Did You Hear That?
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Police enforce drugs zero tolerance at school.
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http://www.dailymail....tstanding-school.html
Was this school and the police correct in the way this strip and search operation was carried out?
/// The mother of one of the boys - not one of the two arrested - said the school had not warned parents in advance. ///
/// 'He's just very distraught by it all - very embarrassed. I feel my child has been victimised,' she told the BBC. ///
/// 'For police to actively go into the school and physically strip-search your child without your permission or knowledge, I'm outraged as I'm sure any parent would be.' ///
Surely this parent should realise that her child could have been one who had possessed drugs, also by informing parents first, it would have alerted all those who were carrying drugs to the police's activity?
Seems like another 'they can't do that to my child', scenario.
Was this school and the police correct in the way this strip and search operation was carried out?
/// The mother of one of the boys - not one of the two arrested - said the school had not warned parents in advance. ///
/// 'He's just very distraught by it all - very embarrassed. I feel my child has been victimised,' she told the BBC. ///
/// 'For police to actively go into the school and physically strip-search your child without your permission or knowledge, I'm outraged as I'm sure any parent would be.' ///
Surely this parent should realise that her child could have been one who had possessed drugs, also by informing parents first, it would have alerted all those who were carrying drugs to the police's activity?
Seems like another 'they can't do that to my child', scenario.
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The police were obviously acting on information, and searched only the pupils they had grounds to suspect, using legitimate powers. They found the drugs, and no doubt the drugs problem at that school will be far less in future.
Would anyone want to tie the hands of the police, who appear to have acted effectively on behalf of the school and the community?
Would anyone want to tie the hands of the police, who appear to have acted effectively on behalf of the school and the community?
Being old enough to commit a crime is not the same as having committed a crime. As mentioned the act was got away with because guilty parties were found, but it seems not all were found in possession, only two were.
Ends do not always justify means and mocking that fact isn't helpful. Maybe those who support this action are happy to be stripped and searched, many of us are not. Many think we have a right to dignity.
Searching and strip searching are different things. Folk ought not muddle the two. And not every 15 or 16 year old is a potential rioter, but I guess it is possible folk tend to speak for themselves.
That's the trouble with zero tolerance. It indicates authorities have abandoned the ability to think and judge their actions.
Ends do not always justify means and mocking that fact isn't helpful. Maybe those who support this action are happy to be stripped and searched, many of us are not. Many think we have a right to dignity.
Searching and strip searching are different things. Folk ought not muddle the two. And not every 15 or 16 year old is a potential rioter, but I guess it is possible folk tend to speak for themselves.
That's the trouble with zero tolerance. It indicates authorities have abandoned the ability to think and judge their actions.
I have seen all my girls go through their teenage years in school, and am now observing, once removed, my grandaughter doing the same.
As a dad and grandad, I love all my girls very deeply, and would do anything for them.
However, that has never blinded me to the fact that they can - and have - done things of which i am not proud, and which has made me diasppointed in them.
To assume as a parent that your child would do no wrong is naiive in the extreme, and if one of my children had been searched, Iwould assume it was with good reason, and we would be having a conversation about it.
I would be upset if my child was strip-searched, but given that the police don't do this sort of thing lightly, i would assume they had good reason - upset, but not 'outraged'.
As a dad and grandad, I love all my girls very deeply, and would do anything for them.
However, that has never blinded me to the fact that they can - and have - done things of which i am not proud, and which has made me diasppointed in them.
To assume as a parent that your child would do no wrong is naiive in the extreme, and if one of my children had been searched, Iwould assume it was with good reason, and we would be having a conversation about it.
I would be upset if my child was strip-searched, but given that the police don't do this sort of thing lightly, i would assume they had good reason - upset, but not 'outraged'.
Old_Geezer I cannot argue with your logic and the democrat in me agrees however, I live in central London, there is a problem, how do you feel that such a problem should be dealt with.
My wife works in education, trust me calling the police would have been a last resort and there was a reason they picked the specific 10, possibly they had been under observation for some time.
As I said there is no doubting the validity of your argument, but for 10 sets of outraged parents I bet there are 1990 set say "well done"
My wife works in education, trust me calling the police would have been a last resort and there was a reason they picked the specific 10, possibly they had been under observation for some time.
As I said there is no doubting the validity of your argument, but for 10 sets of outraged parents I bet there are 1990 set say "well done"
By committing illegal acts the guilty abrogate their right to dignity.
The Inspector in charge states that they had 'specific information' which probably means that 8 have got away with it this time and had the operation been conducted on a different day some of them would have been caught as well/instead.
The Inspector in charge states that they had 'specific information' which probably means that 8 have got away with it this time and had the operation been conducted on a different day some of them would have been caught as well/instead.
O_G
\\\trip searching 15 & 16 year olds ? Sounds like a job for pervs.\\\
You should be ashamed of yourself, defacing the good name of the "old fashioned" pervert........
At one time the "pervert" would wear the name with pride....jumping out of the bushes, opening his mac and flashing an erect penis and then disappearing into the undergrowth OR looking through the nurses home windows as nurses came home and stripped down to their underwear as they prepared to shower before turning in.....they are the TRUE perverts....people who take pride in their work.
Now anybody is called a pervert....police going about their business in the search of drugs, I also have been called a pervert on AB for showing an interest in women's silk underwear................O_G you should be ashamed of yourself.....an insult to the true and respected ...PERVERT.
\\\trip searching 15 & 16 year olds ? Sounds like a job for pervs.\\\
You should be ashamed of yourself, defacing the good name of the "old fashioned" pervert........
At one time the "pervert" would wear the name with pride....jumping out of the bushes, opening his mac and flashing an erect penis and then disappearing into the undergrowth OR looking through the nurses home windows as nurses came home and stripped down to their underwear as they prepared to shower before turning in.....they are the TRUE perverts....people who take pride in their work.
Now anybody is called a pervert....police going about their business in the search of drugs, I also have been called a pervert on AB for showing an interest in women's silk underwear................O_G you should be ashamed of yourself.....an insult to the true and respected ...PERVERT.
sandyRoe
/// I don't think they could be expelled. ///
If they are found guilty of possession they will certainly be expelled, that is this school's policy.
/// 'The school is also aware of its responsibility to safeguard the health, safety and welfare of all of its students and as part of that commitment adopts a policy of zero-tolerance to the possession of drugs, the use of drugs, or dealing in drugs. ///
/// 'Any John Port student found guilty of transgressing this policy is permanently excluded from the school. ///
/// I don't think they could be expelled. ///
If they are found guilty of possession they will certainly be expelled, that is this school's policy.
/// 'The school is also aware of its responsibility to safeguard the health, safety and welfare of all of its students and as part of that commitment adopts a policy of zero-tolerance to the possession of drugs, the use of drugs, or dealing in drugs. ///
/// 'Any John Port student found guilty of transgressing this policy is permanently excluded from the school. ///
The indignation displayed by some of these parents is interesting. Presumably they will be quite happy to see their children become drug addicts at an early age, suffer a life that forces them into acquisitive crime to feed their habit to ultimately die a long and painful death as a result of that addiction. Anything to prevent the sensitive little souls having their dignity offended. Of course I forgot, it is only other people's children that break the law.
In an ideal world youngsters would not fart around with drugs, and they would not need to be searched in school. But we don’t live in an ideal world. Dabbling with drugs often starts at school and anything the authorities can do to prevent it is fully justified. And as for Old_Geezer’s suggestion that the police search people for drugs to gain some sort of perverted pleasure from it – words simply fail me (and that doesn’t happen too often).
In an ideal world youngsters would not fart around with drugs, and they would not need to be searched in school. But we don’t live in an ideal world. Dabbling with drugs often starts at school and anything the authorities can do to prevent it is fully justified. And as for Old_Geezer’s suggestion that the police search people for drugs to gain some sort of perverted pleasure from it – words simply fail me (and that doesn’t happen too often).
Yet another example of so called balanced Daily Wail reporting (AOG reference the US soldier thread comment a few mins ago).....picking up on the 10 aggrieved parents.
How stoopid can you be if you told the parents of the impending raid...."Duh Sun, you don't have any powdery subbies at school do you?"
The police were right, the headmistress was right and well done for cracking down.
How stoopid can you be if you told the parents of the impending raid...."Duh Sun, you don't have any powdery subbies at school do you?"
The police were right, the headmistress was right and well done for cracking down.
Here's some guesswork - kids who are caught with a bit of puff may be suspended...or if it were a repeat offender, referred to youth counselling or at worst excluded.
...but what if the school had reports of kids actually *dealing* drugs on school premises?
What if is wasn't a bit of weed, but a class A drug?
There's something about this story that makes me think that this was more serious than a bag of grass.
Also - surely the parents' anger (ie. the parents of the arrested children) should be directed at the kids, rather than the police/school.
...but what if the school had reports of kids actually *dealing* drugs on school premises?
What if is wasn't a bit of weed, but a class A drug?
There's something about this story that makes me think that this was more serious than a bag of grass.
Also - surely the parents' anger (ie. the parents of the arrested children) should be directed at the kids, rather than the police/school.
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